Zhāng Zhìlěi vs. Deontay Leshun Wilder

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Big Bang or Bronze Bomber?

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  1. Zhāng on points

    1.4%
  2. Zhāng by stoppage

    66.7%
  3. Draw

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Wilder on points

    4.2%
  5. Wilder by stoppage

    27.8%
  1. DanHouser

    DanHouser I'm your huckleberry, that's just mah game Full Member

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    If you're a slow slug against Low IQ Mantis legs then you're more than likely getting sparked out.

    I could see the chubby Chinaman walking mantis legs onto something as well.

    But I'll go out on a limb and say Mantis legs tags chubby first and wins by devastating KO.
     
  2. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Weak compared to what era? In the 1990s you had guys like Moorer and old Foreman not only cracking the top 10 but winning championships and many would pick Wilder over both yet Wilder was never lineal.

    Wilder and Zhang cracking the top 10 hardly seems indicate of a poor era.
     
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  3. anjawnaymiz

    anjawnaymiz Can we get Ivan Dychko some momentum Full Member

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    I thought Parker would be target practice for wilder but I was wrong, zhang is a much bigger slower plodder, if wilder doesn’t stop him then he should retire
     
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  4. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder hasn't performed well against 270+ lbs SHW behemoth's (0-2, 2 KO's) and half of the KD's he's suffered in his pro career have been in the first 3 rounds (3/6).

    Zhang has shown a good chin as a pro; never stopped and only dropped once back in 2015, having fought some strong opposition in Hrgovic, Joyce and Parker.

    Wilder took 10 and 7 rounds to stop Ortiz and 9 rounds to stop Szpilka, his best southpaw opponents.

    Zhang is extremely dangerous in the first half of a fight and is underrated in the second half: he knocked down Parker in the 8th and had a case for winning the 7th, against Hrgovic he won the 9th and had a case for winning the 11th. He was able to go 12 rounds against both and was unlucky not to get at least a draw in those fights.

    Zhang is 2-2 in his last 4 fights, 2-1 in his last 3, whereas Wilder is 1-3 in his last 4.

    I sense that given these facts, Zhang is going to try to KO Wilder early. Letting Wilder hang around into the 2nd half of the fight when Zhang is tiring would be asking for trouble. Zhang will look to sell out and take it out of the hands of the judges who have denied him three times now. It's last chance saloon.

    I think Wilder will be instructed to move and counter by Scott, try to land something big if Zhang overextends but otherwise keep away from Zhang early, fatigue him by making him chase and drag him into the 2nd half where he'll be slower and less active, then land a bomb.

    The dichotomy between these two strategies would hand Zhang the initiative.

    Zhang knows that if he KO's Wilder there's a very good chance he will get the Joshua fight, which I think he wants a lot more than Wilder (who didn't show much desire to beat Parker with the Joshua fight "locked in"). And Wilder signing with Hearn (who Wilder has cast very negative aspersions about in the past) has a "selling out" and cashing out vibe to it.

    Wilder also may be subconsciously disincentivised to win by the fact that him winning would make Fury's wins over him look better, while him losing badly would tend to devalue Fury's wins and take some of the severity off Wilder's other losses by implying that he was past his best ("It could be my last dance", "I need to see what I have left", "In movies you don't have to take punches to the head"). Does Wilder want to make Hearn look better by winning? Does he want to make his former fanbase happy given the abuse he suffered from them? Does he want to want to stand up to a lot of punishment in a hard fight at this stage?

    It's unlikely that Wilder can win a decision here. Wilder lost nearly all of the non-KD rounds in his six fights against Ortiz, Fury and Parker, so I assume that when they are both fresh Zhang will be winning the rounds. And Zhang has shown that he can win a round or two even when he's tired against better pointfighters than Wilder. People talk about Zhang's low workrate and rightly so but Wilder's output against Parker was abysmal, so I don't assume that he will be winning many rounds on activity even if Zhang is tired. Wilder threw 204 to Zhang's 273 against Parker, landing 39 to Zhang's 75. Furthermore, I think the result against Parker flattered Wilder and that with more self-belief and killer instinct, Parker could have stopped Wilder. Zhang doesn't lack those attributes and he's a much bigger puncher than Parker, even Fury.

    I don't think Wilder lost and lost badly to Parker due to styles or having an "off night": he is simply finished as a boxer and a slew of fighters would have a good or great chance of beating him now in my estimation.
     
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  5. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Using your 'logic' there are few 'decent' wins in the history of the sport because the beaten opponent went on to lose future fights.

    Wait til Tarver finds out that his wins over Roy Jones weren't decent because Roy lost future fights.
     
  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He hates Fury simply because Fury schooled his fantasy boyfriend Wlad. In a 180 degree inversion of reality Fencik once claimed that Fury ducked Haye. He's got zero integrity.
     
  7. hobby rider

    hobby rider Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I do like it when you bring up the word “integrity” when you’re a poster who is on at least his 3rd account.
     
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  8. Shazzar23

    Shazzar23 New Member Full Member

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    for real, bro. I dont understand this Joseph Parker circle-jerk I keep seeing online. Parker is, and always has been a mediocre fighter. EVERY TIME he steps up to a higher level, he soundly loses. Now because he out-pointed a broken Wilder and nearly got knocked out and drew with a VERY old and overweight Zhang, I'm supposed to believe he's some boogieman killer? Absolute nonsense.
     
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  9. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Active Member Full Member

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    Both were top 5 when he beat em. But haters gonna hate.
     
  10. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I’ll be rooting for Zhang but it’s a toss up
     
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  11. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Parker was an outsider in both fights because he stepped up.
     
  12. ellerbe

    ellerbe It’s a Tank world Full Member

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    I’m rooting for Wilder but I agree. No prime version of Wilder loses to Parker. Confirmed dude is shot.
     
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  13. Kev2k83

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    Wilder stops the circling ****, throws punches and goes back to being wild.

    Flatlines him in two or three rounds.
     
  14. GGGunbeatable

    GGGunbeatable Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Wilder will win. Is he really that shot that he wouldn't be able to beat the Zhang from the Parker fight? I don't think so.
     
  15. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    At those odds I'd definitely pick Wilder. All he needs to do is gas Zhang out and then windmill him.