Controversial Opinion: Considering context, Israil Madrimov may be Crawford's toughest Opponent

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  1. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You know..... I think Crawford has received way too much credit for the Spence victory. I went back and watched all of Spence's big fights and all of Crawford's big fights and there was something weird about Spence. If you compare his past ring walks to his ring walk against Crawford, you can see that his eyes were red and his face was sunken in. I'm trying to find the video but there was a video comparing Errol Spence's Speed, balance, and jab vs Garcia to when he fought Crawford and there was a glaring difference. I am not saying Spence ever had the fastest feet, fastest hands, or anything like that. What I'm saying is that he looked much healthier, faster, and powerful in the past compared to Crawford. I don't know if it was weight, him being high on something, or if it was altitude sickness. What I am saying is that Spence did not look right.

    Now... before anyone comes in here saying I'm making "excuses". Let's be objective here for a minute. When have we ever seen Crawford look that dominant against an opponent? I don't want to use the "styles make fights" argument either because Horn and Spence have very similar styles (pressure fighters who like the utilize the jab and cut off the ring). Jeff Horn did better against Crawford and Spence is literally two levels above him. Every fighter Crawford faced did better than Spence and Spence is head and shoulders better than all those guys.

    Now, what does this have to do with my point? Well, taking in consideration the context of when Crawford fought all of his competition, an argument could be made that Madrimov is better than any fighter Crawford has ever faced including the version of Spence Crawford faced. Madrimove is a really good counterpunch, great footwork, good switch hitter, and his power is pretty underrated. Crawford is 37 and he is not a natural Junior Middleweight. Taking all bias out of the equation, can we say that Porter, Postol, Khan, Brook, Diaz, and Gamboa are better than this version of Madrimov? No, we can't . Khan and Brook were way past their best, Porter was on his way out. Spence was either high or weight-drained, and Crawford has been hurt and dropped by lesser fighters. With all that said, I'm giving Crawford the edge by decision because Crawford is the more talented and athletic fighter. But I would not be surprised if he got clipped and stopped or received a "controversial" decision where everyone thought Madrimov won.

    Note: Please excuse the grammar, I'm typing from my phone.
     
  2. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I seem to recall most here at the time NOT giving him much credit for the Spence win.
     
  3. Braindamage

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    Crawford whooped that boy. Derrick James had no idea how to effectively blunt TC's offense and had no plan b when Crawford went into another gear. That was the biggest issue Spence had going into the fight.
     
  4. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    Not controversial at all.

    Crawford welter resume:

    > past it chinny Khan who also looked small in comparison to the “140lber”
    >shot drained Kell Brook who took the fight without his long time trainer Dominic Ingle
    > part time boxer/commentator Porter who was winning on the cards. Porters dad threw in the towel to save the money Crawford Spence fight - Porter wasn’t hurt, feet completely in tact
    >Spence was shot, inactive (1 fight in 30 months before fighting Crawford) drained to hell and it showed. The fact he looked worse against shot Khan and drained Brook is undeniable evidence that the Spence was not near 100%
     
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  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ridiculous, Porter was getting beat up. Spence beat Ugas he was still world level. Kell Brook wasn't shot, he was boxing fine until he got clipped

    Either you rate Madrimov or you don't. Now give us your prediction
     
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  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    What's controversial about that?

    An unbeaten Kazakh power puncher who's in the prime of his life and is a title holder in a higher division.

    I imagine it will be his toughest opponent.

    It's very uncontroversial.
     
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  7. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    Come on you’re so desperate to give boxers credit. Madrimov has had 10 fights come on and who has he beat?

    Let’s put it this way Madrimov is not shot, fairly , punches hard, and is a decent boxer. I don’t know who will win, but I’d consider it a better win then the Khan, Brook and Spence Crawford fought
     
  8. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You're delusional Madrimov doesn't have a better resume than either Spence. None of them were shot besides Khan, Space was fine, he beat the crap out of Ugas just before despite the car crash, and beat Porter, Garcia, Brook. This isn’t even mentioning that Crawford has more credible wins at weights below 147

    So what's really going on is your downplaying all Crawfords wins, and then declare that this guy who has fought "nobody" is his best opponent, because if Crawford does beat Madrimov you'll just say he fought nobody and still is "Crawfords best win", coming full circle.

    this is Agenda tactics 101
     
  9. CroBox29

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    Madrimov is a tougher opponent than the mollusk Spence, who was brutally beaten and outclassed by Crawford...
     
  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Porter did better than Spence against Crawford
     
  11. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's no downplaying Crawford wins, it's using context.
     
  12. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    tell that to the boxing community who says Crawford is more accomplished than Floyd
     
  13. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Explain how Spence was shot if he beat Ugas by wide decision.
     
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  14. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Compare the Spence that fought ugas to Crawford. You can clearly see something was wrong with Spence's Jab, Speed, and he looked high as hell.
     
  15. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    That must mean the car crash factor is eliminated because Spence got beat down after Ugas. Errol looked fine until Crawford dropped him for the first time, and made him miss that timing. If something was wrong we don't know what it was

    What will you say if Spence beats Sebastian Fundora ?
     
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