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Addie 11-18-2009 09:54 PM

Was Angelo Dundee a great trainer or a yes man
 
I rewatched Leonard vs Hagler, and he kept saying, "smooth baby". Was Angelo a great trainer or just a yes man for fighters who already had all of the natural talent (Ali, Leonard, Nunn, etc)

PetethePrince 11-18-2009 10:05 PM

Re: Was Angelo Dundee a great trainer or a yes man
 
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Originally Posted by Addie (Post 5438646)
I rewatched Leonard vs Hagler, and he kept saying, "smooth baby". Was Angelo a great trainer or just a yes man for fighters who already had all of the natural talent (Ali, Leonard, Nunn, etc)

Great trainer. Because he never tried doing too much, and knew how to move or get his fighters to do what they needed to.

GazOC 11-18-2009 10:13 PM

Re: Was Angelo Dundee a great trainer or a yes man
 
Great trainer. He's trained enough fighters to great things over the years to at least get SOME of the credit!!

CottoDaBodykill 11-19-2009 12:02 AM

Re: Was Angelo Dundee a great trainer or a yes man
 
who all has dundeed trained?

Addie 11-19-2009 12:10 AM

Re: Was Angelo Dundee a great trainer or a yes man
 
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Originally Posted by CottoDaBodykill (Post 5439469)
who all has dundeed trained?

He was with Basillo, don't know if he trained him, and I know he was with Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Michael Nunn, Jimmy Ellis, and Jose Napoles. Comeback Foreman too, of course. Reading Wikipedia, he also worked with Wilfredo Gomez and Sugar Ramos. That's a hell of a list of fighters.

CottoDaBodykill 11-19-2009 12:49 AM

Re: Was Angelo Dundee a great trainer or a yes man
 
damn dundeed has been around!

TFFP 11-19-2009 01:06 AM

Re: Was Angelo Dundee a great trainer or a yes man
 
If he was no good I think word would have got around !

JohnThomas1 11-19-2009 03:28 AM

Re: Was Angelo Dundee a great trainer or a yes man
 
He's underrated, certainly on this forum.

Unforgiven 11-19-2009 03:50 AM

Re: Was Angelo Dundee a great trainer or a yes man
 
He was a great CORNERMAN. And a great CUT-MAN. I see that on film.

As a trainer, who are we to say ? Unless you were trained by Dundee your opinion doesn't mean much. I assume he was a good trainer, at least. But guys like Ali and Leonard didn't really need much training when they turned pro. Ali especially wouldn't have listened or even benefitted from listening to someone who tried to "train" him too much.

I hate some of the stuff I read on this forum denigrating certain trainers, (for example, the Petronellis, or Victor Valle, or whoever, proper old school guys) as being "not great" or "mediocre" and then suggesting a Manny Steward is clearly much "greater". It seems that fame, name recognition, and self-publicity trainers automatically get called great at the expense of others. And saying that, I acknowledge that Manny Steward must be pretty damn good trainer. I just hate it when some fool on this site says something like " .... Gerry ****ey would have been better had he had a Manny Steward in his corner!" ..... a total insult to ****ey's actual trainers, and totally unfounded too.

Also, I think being a "great" trainer has nothing to do with working with great fighters. It should be measured by how far a trainer brings a kid from that kid's own starting point. It could mean getting a feeble bullied child far enough to stand his ground and fight back in a 3-round fight with some semblance of boxing. I think that takes more doing than calling up Lennox Lewis and telling him you can help him regain the championship.

Jear 11-19-2009 04:35 AM

Re: Was Angelo Dundee a great trainer or a yes man
 
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Originally Posted by Addie (Post 5439515)
He was with Basillo, don't know if he trained him, and I know he was with Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Michael Nunn, Jimmy Ellis, and Jose Napoles. Comeback Foreman too, of course. Reading Wikipedia, he also worked with Wilfredo Gomez and Sugar Ramos. That's a hell of a list of fighters.

He had Willie Pastrano too from memory

Shake 11-19-2009 05:05 AM

Re: Was Angelo Dundee a great trainer or a yes man
 
I think we all intuitively know he wasn't one to teach a dog new tricks. Besides that, he seems like a great trainer.

natonic 11-19-2009 06:42 AM

Re: Was Angelo Dundee a great trainer or a yes man
 
He also trained Luis Manuel Rodriguez (speaking of underrated).

lefthook31 11-19-2009 07:54 AM

Re: Was Angelo Dundee a great trainer or a yes man
 
I was an apprentice under Dundee in the early 90's. Hes a great guy and a great boxing mind. We worked with many fighters from the Swedish olympic team like Atilla Levin and George Scott along with Luis Lagerman, who is also a pretty decent trainer. I think his last project was going to be Atilla Levin, but he really didnt have much of a fighting heart when he moved up the ranks. Obviously Ali and Leonard were his big names, but hes got a whole laundry list of champions that hes worked with. I remember the day we were contacted by Mike Tysons people to possibly train him. I was really excited at the chance to possibly work with Mike during his comeback.

Seamus 11-19-2009 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by lefthook31 (Post 5441571)
I was an apprentice under Dundee in the early 90's. Hes a great guy and a great boxing mind. We worked with many fighters from the Swedish olympic team like Atilla Levin and George Scott along with Luis Lagerman, who is also a pretty decent trainer. I think his last project was going to be Atilla Levin, but he really didnt have much of a fighting heart when he moved up the ranks. Obviously Ali and Leonard were his big names, but hes got a whole laundry list of champions that hes worked with. I remember the day we were contacted by Mike Tysons people to possibly train him. I was really excited at the chance to possibly work with Mike during his comeback.

Sweet story.

I remember him working with a Scandinavian light heavy back then, too. The guy was talented but kept getting KO'd when he stepped up. I forget his name.

I got to admit I used to underrate Angelo, mostly due to his involvement with Ali when Ali should not have been fighting.

TBooze 11-19-2009 10:15 AM

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Dundee knew how to deal with fighters. Training an experienced Leonard, Foreman or indeed Ali, sometimes all you needed to be was a cheerleader (which I think many charge Dundee with being) that stoked up the ego to help motivate the fighter.

But Dundee knew his stuff, and thus attracted some of the best fighters of this era.


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