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Kalasinn 05-11-2011 10:20 AM

Rank these "Top 5 Defeated Opponents" by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis in overall H2H order
 
This should be a fun little task. Included are my opinion of the top 5 opponents beaten (H2H terms) by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis. These 5 opponents for each are not in any order. Your task is to combine the 3 lists of 5, to create a ranked H2H list of 15. Make sure you think in regards to the specific versions of fighters listed in brackets, when creating your list. I hope to see lots of differing opinions. I will do my list later.

Norton ('73 Ali II)
Frazier ('74 Ali II)
Foreman ('74 Ali)
Frazier ('75 Ali III)
Liston ('64 Ali I)

Mercer ('95 Holy)
Old Foreman ('91 Holy)
Bowe ('93 Holy II)
Tyson ('96 Holy I)
Old Holmes ('92 Holy)

Old Holyfield ('99 Lewis II)
Bruno ('93 Lewis)
Vitali ('03 Lewis)
Mercer ('96 Lewis)
Rahman ('01 Lewis II)


Note: Your task is to combine the 3 unordered lists of 5, to create a ranked H2H list of 15.

Note 2: Liston ('65 Ali II) & Tyson ('97 Holy II) are not included for obvious reasons.

junior-soprano 05-11-2011 11:36 AM

Re: Rank these "Top 5 Defeated Opponents" by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis in overall H2H or
 
maybe i am a bit dumb but i don't understand the task as you call it.
but............ if i have to say wich list qualifies as best/better/tougher opponents then ali's list comes first then a long time nothing and lewis an holy are close but i give the edge to holyfield a small edge though

Unforgiven 05-11-2011 11:48 AM

Re: Rank these "Top 5 Defeated Opponents" by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis in overall H2H or
 
1. Liston ('64 Ali I)
2. Foreman ('74 Ali)
3. = Frazier ('74 Ali II)
Frazier ('75 Ali III)

5. Bowe ('93 Holy II)
6. Old Foreman ('91 Holy)
7. Old Holyfield ('99 Lewis II)
8. Tyson ('96 Holy I)
9. Norton ('73 Ali II)
10. Vitali ('03 Lewis)
11. Old Holmes ('92 Holy)
12. Bruno ('93 Lewis)
13. Mercer ('95 Holy)
14. Mercer ('96 Lewis)
15. Rahman ('01 Lewis II)

the cobra 05-11-2011 11:49 AM

Re: Rank these "Top 5 Defeated Opponents" by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis in overall H2H or
 
1. '64 Liston (Ali)
2. '93 Bowe (Holyfield)
3. '74 Foreman (Ali)
4. '96 Tyson (Holyfield)
5. '74 Frazier (Ali)
6. '03 Vitali (Lewis)
7. Old Foreman (Holyfield)
8. Old Holyfield (Lewis)
9. '74 Norton (Ali)
10. Old Holmes (Holyfield)
11. '75 Frazier (Ali)
12. '93 Bruno (Lewis)
13. '95 Mercer (Holyfield)
14. '96 Mercer (Lewis)
15. '01 Rahman (Lewis)

The Mongoose 05-11-2011 11:59 AM

Re: Rank these "Top 5 Defeated Opponents" by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis in overall H2H or
 
Top Tier:
Frazier ('75 Ali III)-despite his limitations, never saw a man fight harder in the ring.
Liston ('64 Ali I)
Foreman ('74 Ali)

Second Tier:
Tyson ('96 Holy I)
Vitali ('03 Lewis)-really want to put these two in the upper tier but....eh.

Norton ('73 Ali II)
Frazier ('74 Ali II)-his heart wasn't in this one.
Old Holyfield ('99 Lewis II)
Bowe ('93 Holy II)

Bottom Tier:

Old Holmes ('92 Holy)
Mercer ('95 Holy)-Mercer's best night by far.
Old Foreman ('91 Holy)
Rahman ('01 Lewis II)
Mercer ('96 Lewis)
Bruno ('93 Lewis)

Foreman Hook 05-11-2011 12:18 PM

Re: Rank these "Top 5 Defeated Opponents" by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis in overall H2H or
 
V.good topic idea. :thumbsup:thumbsup

1. Foreman ('74 Ali)
2. Bowe ('93 Holy II)
3. Old Foreman ('91 Holy)
4. Frazier ('74 Ali II)
5. Frazier ('75 Ali III)

6. Vitali ('03 Lewis)
7. Liston ('64 Ali I)
8. Tyson ('96 Holy I)
9. Old Holyfield ('99 Lewis II)
10. Norton ('73 Ali II)

11. Bruno ('93 Lewis)
12. Mercer ('96 Lewis)
13. Mercer ('95 Holy)
14. Rahman ('01 Lewis II)
15. Old Holmes ('92 Holy)

lefthook31 05-11-2011 01:39 PM

Re: Rank these "Top 5 Defeated Opponents" by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis in overall H2H or
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by junior-soprano (Post 9624203)
maybe i am a bit dumb but i don't understand the task as you call it.
but............ if i have to say wich list qualifies as best/better/tougher opponents then ali's list comes first then a long time nothing and lewis an holy are close but i give the edge to holyfield a small edge though

I dont think Lewis is that close to Holys myself, but yes Ali should be first

FJAY360 05-11-2011 01:50 PM

Re: Rank these "Top 5 Defeated Opponents" by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis in overall H2H or
 
Are these supposed to be the 5 best wins of each?

PhillyPhan69 05-11-2011 01:57 PM

Re: Rank these "Top 5 Defeated Opponents" by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis in overall H2H or
 
Based on the list, and initial impression....

01. 74 Foreman (Ali)
02. 64 Liston (Ali)
03. 93 Bowe (Holy)
04. 03 Vitali (Lewis)
05. 99 Holyfield (Lewis)
06. 96 Tyson (Holy)
07. 74 Frazier (Ali)
08. 73 Norton (Ali)
09. 75 Frazier (Ali)
10. 92 Holmes (Holy)
11. 91 Foreman (Holy)
12. 95 Mercer (Holy)
13. 93 Bruno (Lewis)
14. 96 Mercer (Lewis)
15. 01 Rahman(Lewis)

quarry 05-11-2011 02:02 PM

Re: Rank these "Top 5 Defeated Opponents" by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis in overall H2H or
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalasinn (Post 9623669)
This should be a fun little task. Included are my opinion of the top 5 opponents beaten (H2H terms) by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis. These 5 opponents for each are not in any order. Your task is to combine the 3 lists of 5, to create a ranked H2H list of 15. Make sure you think in regards to the specific versions of fighters listed in brackets, when creating your list. I hope to see lots of differing opinions. I will do my list later.

Norton ('73 Ali II)
Frazier ('74 Ali II)
Foreman ('74 Ali)
Frazier ('75 Ali III)
Liston ('64 Ali I)

Mercer ('95 Holy)
Old Foreman ('91 Holy)
Bowe ('93 Holy II)
Tyson ('96 Holy I)
Old Holmes ('92 Holy)

Old Holyfield ('99 Lewis II)
Bruno ('93 Lewis)
Vitali ('03 Lewis)
Mercer ('96 Lewis)
Rahman ('01 Lewis II)


Note: Your task is to combine the 3 unordered lists of 5, to create a ranked H2H list of 15.

Note 2: Liston ('65 Ali II) & Tyson ('97 Holy II) are not included for obvious reasons.

Foreman (74 Ali)
Frazier (74 Ali)
Frazier (75 Ali)
Liston (64 Ali)
Norton (73 Ali)
Bowe (93 Holy)
Old Foreman (91 Holy)
Old Holmes (92 Holy)
Tyson (96 Holy)
Vitali (03 Lewis)
Mercer (95 Holy)
Bruno (93 Lewis)
Mercer (95 Lewis)
Old Holyfield (99 Lewis )
Rahman (01 Lewis)

downgoesfrazier 05-11-2011 02:17 PM

Re: Rank these "Top 5 Defeated Opponents" by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis in overall H2H or
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Unforgiven (Post 9624290)
1. Liston ('64 Ali I)
2. Foreman ('74 Ali)
3. = Frazier ('74 Ali II)
Frazier ('75 Ali III)

5. Bowe ('93 Holy II)
6. Old Foreman ('91 Holy)
7. Old Holyfield ('99 Lewis II)
8. Tyson ('96 Holy I)
9. Norton ('73 Ali II)
10. Vitali ('03 Lewis)
11. Old Holmes ('92 Holy)
12. Bruno ('93 Lewis)
13. Mercer ('95 Holy)
14. Mercer ('96 Lewis)
15. Rahman ('01 Lewis II)

foreman was much better victory than liston, ali was in his prime when he did beat a past prime liston, ali was past his prime when he did beat peak foreman.

Unforgiven 05-11-2011 03:29 PM

Re: Rank these "Top 5 Defeated Opponents" by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis in overall H2H or
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by downgoesfrazier (Post 9625354)
foreman was much better victory than liston, ali was in his prime when he did beat a past prime liston, ali was past his prime when he did beat peak foreman.

Yes, but I think Liston '64 was a better fighter than Foreman '74.

downgoesfrazier 05-11-2011 03:53 PM

Re: Rank these "Top 5 Defeated Opponents" by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis in overall H2H or
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Unforgiven (Post 9625989)
Yes, but I think Liston '64 was a better fighter than Foreman '74.

i hope you are joking...

FJAY360 05-11-2011 04:00 PM

Re: Rank these "Top 5 Defeated Opponents" by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis in overall H2H or
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Unforgiven (Post 9625989)
Yes, but I think Liston '64 was a better fighter than Foreman '74.

wow :lol:, I 2nd that

Kalasinn 05-13-2011 08:44 AM

Re: Rank these "Top 5 Defeated Opponents" by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis in overall H2H or
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FJAY360 (Post 9625155)
Are these supposed to be the 5 best wins of each?

Yes they are meant to be (my opinion of) the top 5 wins of each in "H2H terms" for the particular version of the fighter they defeated.

I understand there is a big difficulty picking the top 5 for Lewis... because Hasim Rahman could easily be substituted for Andrew Golota, Tony Tucker, David Tua, Shannon Briggs, Razor Ruddock, Oliver McCall or Tommy Morrison.


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