Kid Gavilan
 

Where does ESB Classic rate him all-time in the heavenly Welterweight Kingdom these days?

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No.2 or no.3 depending on how I'm feeling about Ray Leonard on any given day.

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Would you rate him about the same in a H2H sense?

(I would). :yep

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Yes!

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Yeah, 2 or 3 for me too.

Holds his own with pretty much anyone you care to name in the welterweight division.

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Number three.

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ESB ranked him #5 in Rummy's poll:

1. 1049 Sugar Ray Robinson (41)
2. 524 Sugar Ray Leonard
3. 322 Henry Armstrong
4. 301 Jose Napoles
5. 275 Kid Gavilan

I personally had him at #4.

01 - Sugar Ray Robinson
02 - Sugar Ray Leonard
03 - Jack Britton
04 - Kid Gavilan

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Britton is the guy I could see pushing either Leonard or Gavilan out of the top 3.

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He finished 14th in that poll!

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Didn't Hasegawa make the top ten bantams?!?!

To be fair I never took my picks seriously back then. I would now!

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Where the hell is El Feo?!

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7-10.

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:nono

I completely trust Flea's opinion.

He said El Feo is the 2nd greatest welter of all time.

Here's his list in case you missed it, HoI:

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:rofl

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I believe he is at a size disadvantage against most conventionally acknowledged welterweights, but that is not to say his talent won't shine through regardless. He is well among the very best of the bunch, but his exact placing depends on whom you include in your list.