Pavlik hasn't done much at SMW!
 

A clear loss to Hopkins at 170 Lbs and a few wins over some unknown guys at 168 Lbs isn't much. In the mean time he also clearly lost to Martinez at 160 Lbs.

I doubt he'll do much vs. Ward.

Re: Pavlik hasn't done much at SMW!
 

He's just a name to be plastered on Wards resume.

Thats all it is, really...

Re: Pavlik hasn't done much at SMW!
 

I actually knew both Rosinsky and Taylor.

Re: Pavlik hasn't done much at SMW!
 

He's a washed up old has been who was never all that anyway.

Shame on ward tbh, drained Dawson, washed up pavlik.

Not great really is it

Re: Pavlik hasn't done much at SMW!
 

Who else is there really for ward at 168?

Re: Pavlik hasn't done much at SMW!
 

Kelly Pavlik is basically the MW Gerry Cooney! Racked up some impressive wins. Good fighter with a big punch but ultimately a flawed individual. Shame really as i was high on Pavlik back in the day....

Look's awful now:

http://www.boxing360.com/blog/wp-con...play_image.jpg

Re: Pavlik hasn't done much at SMW!
 

If pavliks that bad Martinez wouldn't have said he was his toughest opponent He's ever faced

Re: Pavlik hasn't done much at SMW!
 

Pavliks a bigger threat then Dawson trust me.

Re: Pavlik hasn't done much at SMW!
 

Martinez is a natural junior middleweight.

Re: Pavlik hasn't done much at SMW!
 

Apparently losing to 2 hall of famers, one of whom was fighting 2 divisions above him, anf fighting the other guy to a hard fought decision equates to being "washed up"

Re: Pavlik hasn't done much at SMW!
 

No but being an alcoholic for two years does.

There is no coming back from that at an elite level

Re: Pavlik hasn't done much at SMW!
 

Chavez was an alcoholic/drug addict for a large part of his career.

Tyson was doing coke during his "prime".

Im more interested in what they do in the ring.

Some of the greatest athletes of all time have had drink problems.

Just ask this guy. [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Hamilton[/ame]

And according to many Pavlik no longer has the same issues with alcohol.

Re: Pavlik hasn't done much at SMW!
 

...that being said, i think Ward wins a wide decision.

Then again, I think Ward destroys everyone in the division.

He pretty much already has.

Re: Pavlik hasn't done much at SMW!
 

I never knew that there was the slightest consideration that he had done anything at SMW.

He's a name opponent at 168 and nothing more.Not one win of any consequence.

Re: Pavlik hasn't done much at SMW!
 

I never got this logic.

When Ward goes up in his first fight at LHW and fights for a title will that mean,that if say..Cloud beats him, that it will be a fight of no consequence because Ward has "done nothing" at LHW?

You cant just ignore the career a guy had 7-8 lbs south of where hes fighting. It happens here all the time and its just stupid.

If you're an undisputed champ at a division and you go up.you're career doesnt just start over!

Marcio Rubio is rated quite highly by many sanctioning bodies and Pavlik hammered him back at 160, does that no longer count?