Originally Posted by Pat_Lowe
Agree with what you said, except that I think Jones jr proved his heart in the ring. Sure outside the ring he may have been cautious to fight certain boxers or he was a ***** to negotiate with but his first fight against Tarver sealed the deal on his heart. He put his chin out there in that fight and he was hit, but when he got to the championship rounds and the fight was hanging, he pulled through and won them.
No argument Pat, i was certainly not saying Jones didn't have heart, but pointing out that a fighter of the same or potentially even more talent could concievably reach this lofty status without a genuine heart check. For instance, if Jones never fought Tarver and retired right before fight 1 he may have indeed reached the heights without having to prove his heart in Tarver 1. As you point out, this was the fight he knuckled down in, and many will agree he was ATG if he retired right prior to it.