Originally Posted by Sonny's jab
The actual premise to the thread is too confusing when you really examine what it entails ....
It's okay saying Frazier retires after beating Ali in 1971 but if we say Ali's peak was 1967 then he wouldn't be around in '71 to lose to Frazier ..... likewise, Liston would have retired before losing to Ali so we cannot credit Ali with that win. Rocky Marciano wouldn't have wins over Joe Louis OR Ezzard Charles, for starters.
I suppose Tyson retires after beating Spinks, but then Spinks would have retired as a light-heavy in 1985 and we cannot count his wins over Larry Holmes, who would have retired back in 1982 !
I kinda felt the same way...
My guess is that the idea is to rate title runs and reigns.
A better way to phrase it would be who had the best reign if:
1. Ali never returns from exile
2. Liston after Patterson II
3. Tyson after Spinks
4. Foreman After Ali - I included the loss because considering Foreman's momentum he was still at his peak, he just lost tot he better man
5. Frazier after FOTC