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Old 07-27-2012, 03:43 PM   #55
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Default Re: Sonny Liston in the following fantasy h2h matchups

Originally Posted by SuzieQ49 View Post

Knocked out a Prime 24-3 Ernie Terrell, who was never knocked out before, and went on to become WBA champion. Knocked Terrell down in the rematch when Terrell was rated # 5 in the World. AP scored the fight for Williams.
As it turned out terrels loss to wiliams was the turning point of ernies career. Terrel was still at the point of his career where he was losing SD's each year and williams was the first remotly famous opponent he had met. Ernie (no great fighter himself) would prove to be a better heavyweight than williams ever was because he beat a lot more fighters who were better than anyone big cat williams ever beat - and he beat williams back anyway.

Originally Posted by SuzieQ49 View Post
Knocked out Alex Miteff who was rated top 10 in the world
Miteff had lost 3 of his last 4 fights before facing big cat Williams IN 1961. Cooper, machen and chuvalo all took any rating alex had before he met Cleveland. The year before Miteff also lost to folley and besmanoff, the only rated fighter miteff beat was old nino valdes by SD way back in 1958 but in the 3 years since he had lost anothr 7 times before meeting Williams.

Originally Posted by SuzieQ49 View Post
Beat Billy Daniels, rated # 9 in the world.
Daniels was a good boxer with decent punching power. He racked up an undefeated record of 16-0. Daniels was rated 10th in the World Heavyweight rankings in Ring Magazine for the month ending November 21, 1962.
Billy Daniels was featured on the cover of the October 1962 The Ring magazine, along with a young Muhammad Ali. In a battle of undefeated prospects, Daniels was stopped on cuts by Ali. That was the end of his rating. Daniels career nosedived after the Ali fight and before the williams fight.

Originally Posted by SuzieQ49 View Post
Fought to a controversial Draw with top 5 rated Eddie Machen. AP scored the fight for Williams.
Nobody thought williams beat machen, nobody cared one way or the other. It was a draw in williams's home town, just another close fight that meant as much as the folley-machen draw or the cobb v dokes draw or any other heavyweight draw. Scott ledoux drew with ken Norton AND leon spinks and nobody cares about him!

Williams was rated by 1961, Lord knows why because Bob satterfeild was the only name on the big cats record before facing liston. his best actual wins by then were against unrated (31-13) frankie daniels or (27-16) john holman when both were on worrying losing streaks.

between the Liston and ali fights williams beat 18 fighters who could not win more than 2 of their last 4 fights, of those (6-4) mel turnbow knocked him down. Williams also beat george moore and ernie terrel who had better records but Moore was only 11 months into a comeback after a two year break from a 14 month career and terrel beat williams in the return.

Williams was a headliner who was popular in that he spectacularly knocked out journeymen. He wasn’t going anywhere because he was a good enough attraction in Miami and Texas for doing just this. when he went to new York or Philadelphia he’d get beat. 95% of williams's fights were in Texas and Florida as the "house fighter".
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