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Old 08-15-2012, 05:50 PM   #23
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Default Re: The mythical 200lb line/weight drain

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Originally Posted by PowerPuncher View Post
1. Firpo was a strong man weight lifter. Willard/Jeffries seemed to do allot of old school lifting. Archie Moore was a proponent of weight lifting

2. No it wasn't you're making assumptions on this without any evidence, in fact despite having a love for the history of the sport you don't seem to read up much on it. Endurance has always been important but fighters have always skimmed on it or not gone all out on it. Strength and size has also always been part of the sport.
I have looked at the training regimes of fighters from the early 1800s to the present, and certain things stand out. In the periods when fights were longer, there seems to have been much more emphasis on roadwork and endurance training.

I have not been able to find any example of a fighter prior to the 1980s, using weight lifting to add significant bod mass. As far as I can tell, Michael Spinks was a pioneer when he bulked up to fac Larry Holmes.

If you can find evidence to the contrary, it would be a significant adittion to the debate.

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3. You don't gain weight by drinking water, you just pass more water
What they did was drink a shed load of water before the weigh in, to bring their weight to the required mark, then ****ed like there was no tomorrow.

Henry Amtrong did this to make welterweight. Today he would simply have added muscle mass, but back then it was not evn thought of.

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4. They debuted at around 220 without lifting weights, maybe they'd stay as low as 230. Maybe if they came from more deprived backgrounds they would never have grown into 220lb young men ofcourse
Lewis was able to make 220 up to the age of 26.

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5. Tyson was 200lbs at around 13 and supposedly never did weights to get upto 225lbs as a 20yo, yet 'would never be a real HW'
It is aledged that Tyson fell under the 200lb mark in prison. If so then I suggest that he would likley have debuted under thisweight in the 1930s.

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6. 1 off example and again, no feat of endurance
You are very ard to please.

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7. Yet another incorrect statement. Marathon runners do run at fast times, ie race times or quicker in training. Fitz was a fit man, but he didn't have amazing stamina or endurance, some modern MW's will have been fitter
Every running coach that I know (and I know a fair few), advises marathon runners to do their longer training runs torturously slowly. Speed work does have a place in marathon training, but it will always be in much shorter runs. Where longer trainng runs are concerned, the more time you spend on your feet the better.
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