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Old 09-29-2012, 01:23 PM   #59
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Default Re: Rocky Marciano vs. Sonny Liston

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Could Marciano get past Liston’s jab? Not easily
Marciano will get past 90% of Listons jabs because he got past 90% of everyone’s jabs. If it misses rocky counters. If sonnys jab lands rocky still lands. Rocky’s whole style was about neutralising and countering jabs because of his own short reach. Sonnys jab was no “stay away” range finder. Rocky would in fact relish Sonnys type of jab because it brings Liston forward onto what Marciano has planned. Listons jab (even when it missed) was thrown like a power shot. he came all the way in with it. Right into the pocket of where Rocky wants him.
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Would Liston cut Marciano up? Likely.
In title fights Rocky did not get cut against Walcott in the rematch or against Lastarza, Moore or ****ell that’s half the title fights he had. Liston marked up as many times in competitive fights as Rocky did. How many times was sonny matched competatively? Sonny fought only two men for the title and was cut by one of them -Ali.
 
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How many sledgehammer crosses or hooks could Marciano take from Liston? Not too many
If Liston has the space and time to launch his bombs he is a danger to anyone, but will Rocky allow him that much space and time? I think what you are saying depends on what Marciano lets Sonny do. I don’t see Rocky freezing like Roy Harris or Albert westphall. Marciano has a better chin than machen who went 12 rounds with Liston but only one against ingo.
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If it came down to points, who is the likely winner? I think Liston.
If things go his way. If they don’t what then? What history of Liston coming from behind to win against a great fighter is there?
 
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Rocky could hit, but it took him on average a tad over 9 rounds to win his title matches. And the likes of Charles, Moore, and Walcott were far easier to hurt in comparison to Liston.
Charles and moore got past bob Satterfield - Cleveland Williams did not. If they were easier to hurt than Liston then how come they got past the man who flattened the hardest puncher Liston ever fought? Charles, Walcott and Archie Moore fought a lot more elite, currently rated HW contenders than Liston ever did. Listons entire roster of rated opponents were Harris, machen, Foley, Patterson, Clay and Martin. That’s it. Two of them did not want to fight and another two stopped Liston. Its not that good a ratio and way behind Walcott, Moore and Charles. The men who stopped Walcott, Moore and Charles hit a whole lot harder than leotis martin and cassius clay.
 
 
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Rocky could only fight one way, and that was by confronting his opposition. That type of style for the smaller man is the wrong way to fight Liston.
Only if the smaller man is battle tired and at the end of a reign and his name is joe Frazier when he fought george foreman. Otherwise if the smaller man is pin point prime, has the edge in seasoning, heart, experience and has a 100% consistency record against elite heavyweights then the other man better watch out.

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