Originally Posted by burt bienstock
W, Tunney at lightheavyweight lost to the MUCH lighter Greb in 1922, and
split the next FOUR fights by all accounts...Remember Tunney was 10-15 pounds HEAVIER than Greb,had 220 bouts less than Greb...So as being
P4P better than Greb, no way....
I don't understand your line about not "having Knowledge of Greb" ? Just look at his astounding record in 300 bouts, beating great HoFamers weighing 15-25 pounds more than Harry, and aside from his prelim bouts, never was KO,D in about 290 fights after,
to the time he retired...And in the last few years, fighting with the sight of ONE EYE...
P.S. In one year in his prime, Harry Greb had 45 bouts, winning them all.
Simply amazing !
Woah hold up there Burt. I never said this is how I feel about Greb and Tunney's ratings as a p4p fighter at all. I was simply saying that Tunney may have been viewed as greater than Greb, so don't try and school me on how you perceive Greb to be, I can make my own judgement thanks :P. I just think the fact Tunney was able to succesefully win the heavyweight title and retired undefeated at heavyweight with just the one loss, without the knowledge that Dempsey (viewed as one of the greatest HW of all time back then more so than now by many) had visibly deteriorated too the extent that we now know. Surely you must see where I'm coming from??
However this is only an educated assumption. You got any information about who was widely recognised as the p4p best fighter before Ray Robinson's incredible career?