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Old 10-12-2012, 02:46 PM   #67
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Default Re: Could Ali handle the size of a Lewis?

Well, if the question is 1 e.g. how would Ali, as he was in his day, deal with Lewis, as Lewis was in his own day, that's the question people should discuss.

However, there is nothing illogical about asking 2 how Ali would have done if he's have come along in Lewis's day, or vice versa, the temporally transplanted boxer developing in ****ogy to how he had developed in his own time (i.e., in proportion to the opportunities for development).

There are degrees of actualities. The boxers nature is an actuality which is a potential for his or her powers; their actual powers is in turn a potential for their operations. Scenario 1 requires us to consider a boxers powers (and how they may actuate as operations against one another), but not necessarily their nature (i.e., their potential for powers); scenario 2, on the other hand, requires us to consider also the fighters nature (i.e., potential to have power) as it may be actuated in various circumstances.

Originally Posted by mr. magoo View Post
Why don't we just ask ourselves this:

If Lewis had been born in 1945 and to a different set of parents, would he have become an actor and appeared in Monty Python and perhaps even the Benny Hill show, rather than take up boxing?
Hi, Mr. Magoo

Well, you have some point. Now, what I am taking to be constants for scenario 2 are e.g. that Ali in Lewis's day 1) has the same potential to develop his powers (according to circumstances) as the real Ali; 2) that this Ali does develop himself in a way ****ogous (i.e., in proportion to opportunity for developement) as the real Ali. If you wish to call the Ali in this hypothetical scenario, not 'Ali', but rather 'an Ali-type boxer in Lewis's day', I have no objection.

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