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Old 10-13-2012, 09:30 AM   #46
Mendoza
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Default Re: sonny liston vs jack johnson.....

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Originally Posted by Seamus View Post
You and I have been over this time and again.

Johnson tired and let Hart do the leading according to all accounts. Hart's aggression definitely displeased Johnson in what was a VERY important fight for him. If he had a Sunday shot, that was the time to use it. And he would have been fighting for the title much earlier.

In the O'Brien affair, you are very selective in choice of source materials. I tend to quote the NYT rendition because it contains the details we see repeated in other articles. O'Brien was jabbing Johnson silly and even groggy a few times, reddening his face and frustrating him. You cite other sources, if I remember correctly. Johnson hurt O'Brien once but could not follow up. Other fighters, some great and some not and almost all smaller than Johnson, had stopped O'Brien in under 6. Ketchel turned the trick in 3 in his next fight, Langford not long after that. Also, O'Brien was very near the end of his long career and should have been ripe for the picking.

In the Battling Jim fight, there are those who claim Johnson's arm was broken early but most say it happened right at the end. He was simply being schooled by a more motivated, aggressive fighter. Again, the NYT article states the crowd booed the decision lustily.

Seamus,

Everything you say is correct. If youíre trying to help Mcvey out on the topic of Jack Johnson I wish you good luck. McVey is a forgetful dolt who uses selective sources ( and sometimes blasts the same source he used previously), ignores facts, and plays double standards. If you press him enough heíll become angry. Some of his excuses for Johnson are hilarious. If you put him in his place, heíll play the race card. Thatís when you know you have him dead to rights. The funny thing is the old man has a psychological need to post last in each thread, as if he who writes last wins. I once saw him posting a reply to a comment of mine at 3AM in the morning in the UK.
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