Originally Posted by Wilhelm
Roach, why don't you give it a try and find out? At my old gym we had a national savate champion and he was REALLY tough to spar. Kicks coming from every angle. The thing about standing in a boxing/kickboxing/savate stance that's more angled and less square than a wrestling/MT stance is that it leaves your lead leg more exposed for takedowns and leg kicks. It's also not that easy to say "the sport version doesn't have knees or lots of leg kicks, but you can learn them etc" because a lot of the techniques of any sport/martial art are optimized according to making them successful within the rules of the sport.
If what you care about is MMA then train everything at once so that you always keep in mind what doesn't work in that set of rules. It may be that you can do best with boxing or savate instead of MT, but maybe in trying it out you'll see why everyone mostly goes with it.
I don't understand why you say it leaves your leg more open to leg kicks when in the videos I posted, both guys could utilize leg kicks, but the Savate guy was in no more danger than the Muy Thai practitioner?
I mean, is it really necessary to stand squared up?
I don't see Anderson Silva standing squared up, nor Rampage.
Doesn't getting out of the way of a single leg take down come down more to the athlete rather than the style?
I mean, if you have slow reactions, you get taken down, right?
You said the Savate practitioner was very hard to spar, so why would you give the impression that Muy Thai is superior?
Wouldn't it be best to learn both, but utilize the Savate stance and footwork from a distance, and utilize either boxing or Muy Thai from up close?
I mean, I understand that Muy Thai has knees, but I've seen a guy get knocked out when he put somebody in a clinch, by the other guy who was throwing fast, short hooks.
I mean if you're strength is stand up, woudln't it be best to keep your distance and range, and if you get inside, typically against a guy rangier than you, would you want to try to knee him anyway?
Probably not right?
I mean, I've never seen anybody attempt to knee Jon Jones. In fact, the only way Jon Jones may be beatable is to catch him with a counter hook and hope he doesn't have a chin.
You're not going to beat him at a distance, and you can't knee him, so what good is Muy Thai knees?
I mean, the only time I really see Muy Thai knees work is when a guy is rushing in with his head down.
And I know you said, "it's easy to say, you can just learn knees," but what is there really?
I mean, it's pretty simple isn't it? It's not like it's rocket science. You just lock the guy behind his neck and drive your knee up. That's pretty simple.
In contrast, counterpunching and counterkicking someone like Savate emphasizes, that takes skill.
Am I wrong?
And I know you say, most people go with Muy Thai, but you know as well as I do, that most people don't really have much natural fluidity or rhthymm, so they would naturally be inclined to gravitate towards something that to me looks like it comes down to who can kick or punch the hardest or who can take the most punishment.