Originally Posted by Seamus
err.. to my knowledge Greb was truly KO'd only once, in his 7th fight, by a very good Joe Chip and this happened when he was the modern equivalent of a junior welter fighting a true middle who was on a tear.
Greb got a lot better in the next years. That would be like calling out Roy's amateur loss to Frankie Liles.
Remember, fellow fighters, even great fighters, and trainers did not remark that Greb was merely fast but that he was the fastest they had ever seen... and this was in an era when there were a lot more active boxers than in the 1990's. I would not so lightly claim that Roy was faster than Greb and certainly not consider that he was much faster.
Also, while we talking speed, I think we have two different types here. Roy, as a bait and pounce guy or an aggressor was a bit of a pot-shotter. One punch, see the results, then perhaps follow up with a flurry. Greb was a swarmer in the true sense. He overwhelmed his opponents with volume and angles. Two very different types of speed. Roy was could deliver a single punch in half a blink; Greb just delivered so many punches together.
Joe Chip would probably be a junior middle or welter today. The point is that Greb could be knocked out, and "middleweight" Jones was huge compared to Greb. If Greb runs into Jones' best shots, he's getting knocked out.