They both offer constructive debate and contribute to the forum discussions, i havent seen either of them post similar drivel that ive quoted from you above, pull your head out of your ass mate, stop the trolling and have a bit of fun with a civil discussion. We all grow up sooner or later, might be time for you to grow up today and have a go
Is your idea of "constructive debate":
Mundine will knock out Geale handily.
He will not leave it to the judges.
Shaw is corrupt and has the ibf in his pocket, Geale realistically did not win against Sturm or Sylvester.
Mundine is aware that the punches Geale fails to land (all of them, his accuracy is the worst in boxing EVER) will be scored, and he will need the knock out
Mundine will get that Knock out EASILY
That is nothing more than trolling as none of that is based on fact so you pull your head out of your ass. (Lets not even get into your obsessive hate with Green)