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Old 10-19-2012, 01:34 PM   #43
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Default Re: 2 guys both same weight and speed, one is strong one isnt, do they hit with = pow

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Originally Posted by dealt_with View Post
No, you can't know and anybody who says that you can is lying. There are plenty of theories but a lot of research needs to be done still before you can conclusively say "This is the recipe for power".
What is known is that for a throwing motion like a punch is that forces are summated and that your tendons multiply the speed and power. What this means is that your muscles need to perform work on preferably stiff tendons (Think of them as a thick rubber band), your muscles need to hold force at a high level to stretch and transfer the energy to your tendons.
When you punch you generate force by pushing into the ground and transferring that force through your mid section before releasing it through your arm. The stretch between your hips and shoulders is extremely important, your hips need to stop before your shoulder twists into the punch; this ensures that you get a good stretch and recoil through your midsection.
I believe that's where a lot of fighters fail in their punching chain, boxers are always taught that power comes from the legs and being fast... You see fast guys like Bradley or Malignaggi and people ask why they can't punch, they tend to punch with their hips and shoulders moving at the same time. You then look at someone like Golovkin or Pacman and you'll see that their hips are always very stable at the time they release their hands.
Bradley and co. look fast but their fist at the point of impact isn't accelerating like Golovkin's or Julian Jacksons is.
Golovkin and co. are multiplying their force through a throwing motion throughout the punch, Bradley and co. are moving quickly but pushing it from the waist up so forces don't summate.
It's a coordination/motor movement issue primarily but strength is very important as well.
It's not about how fast a guy is from A to B, it's about what is happening at the point of impact.
A guy might be big and slow looking but if you look at how efficiently he summates his forces through the mechanisms I talked about then he may be a devastating puncher and his fist might be moving a lot faster at the point of impact than a guy like Andre Ward who is a fast body mover but again is slowly pushing a punch at the point of impact.
Look at any good puncher form Foreman to Jackson and you'll notice the stability of the hips and that their fist seems to be gaining something as they're still connecting.

Great answer thanks mate I noticed a huge difference between turning the hips and shoulders all at once and getting the stretch reflex of the obliques etc accelerate / "sling" the punch, it just seems insane that I can punch with better power generating technique than a pro like Bradley lol


After reading you post Im gonna try and exagerate the whip as much as I can although I think I have it maxed out.

But what I might not be doing is pushing off the ground, I tend to spin my foot on the ground and theres not much pushing (except for the cross) and theres not much friction between my pivoting foot and the ground so maybe im doing that wrong.
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