Originally Posted by PIRA
Linear knees strikes are easier to throw and most fighters seem to focus on these. IMO though fighters who really work on twisting the grapple and using the round knee to the floating ribs or even better around the ear seem to get a lot of power and brutal KO's.
A Thai trainer gave me his thoughts on it a long time ago and it made sense. His thoughts were the combination of leverage from one side and putting the roll of the hip into the knee striking the other gave it a lot more force.
Good post PIRA!
I agree and this highlights a pet hate of mine when watching MMA guys use knees. They usually go for the “plum” and then just start alternately throwing straight knees up, pretty basic stuff and easy to defend against if you have any basic understanding of MT clinching and knee work. I’m not sure how more commonly used MT clinch work would apply in a MMA environment, but I can’t help thinking it would only benefit both the attacker and defender.
My main pet hate in this is when they throw their knees they seem to just “lift” the knees up to the target, basically losing most of their power. As PIRA touched on in his post rotating the hip into the knee and extending it is where the natural fluid power is but this very often doesn’t seem to get taught in most western gyms. To throw a good knee fluidly and with venomous power you have to throw the knee up and then push though the target by extending your knee past your “usually limit” of motion, this is where the power is, loose flexible hips are very very important. This is almost the same technique in a successful push kick as well, another technique which seems to be lazily deployed in MMA, guys push to the target not through it, they don’t turn the hip to push through it.
The “plum” which is so beloved by our MMA brothers is pretty easy to defend against just by calmly straightening you back, grapping your opposition round the waist and pulling him close, the “plum” isn’t the MT classic that it seems to have become outside of Thailand. In fact it’s pretty rarely deployed in the way most westerners use it in Thailand. When clinching you need to create space to knee, which is done by creating openings by getting your opponent off balance and simultaneously manoeuvring him into an open or vulnerable position, this can also lead to game changing throws. Clinching to throw knees is a very technical affair more about timing than brute force. Check out ATG Saenchai and top throw back fighter Pornsaneh doing some clinch work in these two clips, notice the natural knee extension and more common hand positioning used. (Old man and ATG Orono in the ring to!