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Old 11-02-2012, 03:03 PM   #587
bailey
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Default Re: If YOU were Joe Calzaghe, would you come out of retirement to fight Andre Ward?

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Originally Posted by Loudon View Post
Haha! He was 9 weeks from his 40th Birthday. Joe's only 40 now, and people are saying he'd be crazy to come back at this stage. Roy was nearly 40, and Joe had dismissed him three times, but according to you it's a good win. Had Roy adjusted to the weight when Green knocked him out in under three mins? Stop embarrassing yourself! Even Joe himself knows the win was worthless. He himself said that the fight would be pointless, just a year before they actually fought. So why are you trying to argue, when Joe himself knows that it was worthless.
Jones was 39, Calzaghe 36. Hardly a massive difference in age.
Jones was back adjusted at LHW.
The Green fight was at CW and nothing to do with LHW. Also do you not recall that there was a glove query where Jones was looking to take action. Do you not recall Greens 1st round KO of Briggs with a jab after Briggs had given Adamek 2 tough close fights.
After that loss Jones fought Hopkins who became LHW champ again and put Hopkins down, where Hopkins couldnt beat the count, only for him to say the punch was on the back of the head and be given time.
Lets not forget that between the Calzaghe and Green fight, Jones looked very good in beating Lacy and getting rid of Sheika in 5 one sided rounds, the same Sheika who later fought world rated Diaconu and gave him a tough points fight. Explain . Yet Jones beat him easy
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I haven't answered the question, BECAUSE whatever I say, you'll argue against it. But why are you arguing anyway? I agree with you, that it wasn't a great win. I think it's a good win. Do you not think it was a good win for Toney? If not, please tell me why? Thanks.
I notice you duck questions and then as me questions when you wont answer mine. You do this as im not a ducker.
In answer to the question you have asked me. I would call it a fair win only. Jirov hadnt beaten anyone of note as a pro.
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I don't advocate cheating in any way. But my personal opinion is, if they'd have been anything in it, his critics, the media, and all of the Organisations he represented, would have jumped on him. He represented a lot of people. HBO, Nike, the WBA, WBC, IBF, etc, he fought in places like New York, under their watch. So you're not telling me that it was all swept under the carpet, and everyone was corrupt and pretended it didn't happen? I don't believe that.
Believe what you want but look at how there were questions about Berto and Peterson yet they are free to box now, or look at how Morales was let to box or Chavez jnr with the queries that have come up there.
Read Zods thread which he wants to edit away
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/...d.php?t=365000
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Anybody with an ounce of intelligence, knows that he wouldn't have fought Roy for less than a million.
Probably not if Roy wanted 10mil, but as said so many times You dont know that, so stop trying to argue what YOU DONT KNOW




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Again it was a poor example to use. I understand exactly what you're saying. But we're talking about Joe Calzaghe fighting the Worlds best fighter. So the circumstances are completely different.
So you say we are talking about Calzaghe but earlier said he was an unknown
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If you were talking about a journeyman boxer, then yes it would be a good example.
What was Calzaghe being paid then?
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But again, we're talking about Joe moving up and fighting one of the greatest ever fighters. Ok?
How much did lesser fighter O Grant get and how much did Jones get defending against him, and remember Jones wanted 10 mil. Do you know what Calzaghe was being paid, because if Jones wanted 10mil and Calzaghe was getting (and I dont know, this is only an example before it confuses you again) 700k, then a million wouldnt sound unreasonable would it? To vacate a title. Still We dont know and cant say as YOU DONT KNOW
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