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Old 11-09-2012, 07:07 AM   #70
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Default Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Ray Robinson

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Originally Posted by Flea Man View Post
Not saying he isn't brilliant but he's made out to be a genius, which is why I consider him very overrated.

The main points for me are;

-If he's this technical wiz what quality technicians has he beaten? He's faced a lot of straight-on, straight-up guys.

-And if he's this great tactician, then what has he had to overcome in order for us to judge that the adjustements he makes are so brilliant?

His 'boxing brain' is overrated IMO just because I haven't seen it ticking over against a sufficient calibre of opponent, technically anyway. Proven against some styles no doubt.

Again, I consider him first class but I think he's mentioned too often among the very greatest operators the sport has ever seen. For that reason, I consider his abilities grossly overrated. Ricardo Lopez as well.
Cheap shot at the greatest fighter south of 115 Flea (cause at 115 there its a human wrecking machine named Khaosai)! Anyway to answer you're questions:

-The best technician Floyd beat was Genaro Hernandez a 5'11" semi undefeated long reigning champion. The next best was a past it but not completely shot de la Hoya. I've intentionally lefty out Juan Manuel Marquez but he's there as well although I'll concede mitigating circumstances. The dropoff from those guys is pretty steep but Sharmba Mitchell could box, decently at least.
- As for adjustments: the Judah fight comes to mind although that may be a case if Judah falling apart more than Mayweather figuring him out. Against Carlos Hernandez, he figured out how to fight one handed fairly well. He certainly changed up between Castillo I and II turning a relatively close fight into a relatively unclose fight. He's dealt better with pressure over the second half of fights whether from Cotto, Chavez, or de la Hoya. And he went from fighting the best possible opponent to fighting the best opponentt he was sure to beat, a move so brilliant Benny Leonard just issued a ghost clap from beyond the grave.
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