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Old 11-12-2012, 08:17 AM   #101
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Default Re: Referee - Tony Perez 'I Should Have DQ'd Muhammad Ali'

Originally Posted by mcvey View Post
Yes he is a gent .
ps. Ali had bad hands for that fight.
And Frazier had a bad eye. And Ali was about 32. And Frazier was never the same after the FOTC and the Sunshine Showdown. Etc. etc. etc. etc.

Originally Posted by mcvey View Post
My point is, Pepe said they were after safeguarding Ali's defending in NY. He didn't and as to Perez being biased towards Ali, he gave Frazier more rounds than either of the two judges.
Pepe is on an agenda driven wind up he makes mythical interviews and statements up as he goes along, amazingly he has attracted adherents that agree with his tales.

You can fool some of the people all of the time it seems.
The point is that you can't rule out that NYSAC was keen to keep Ali sweet, DESPITE the fact that he didn't fight in NY for some time after that fight. Ali was treated soft because he was a cash-cow; call it karma after 1967-1970 if you like, but a fact's a fact.

Originally Posted by mcvey View Post
Take a look at Wlad v Wach the other night and take into account that Wach is taller than Wlad, then factor in that Frazier was over three inches shorter than Ali , even when standing erect ,and he fought out of a half crouch.
If it's harder to hold without breaking the rules against a shorter boxer, then so much the worse for being tall. Lots of boxers have faced the same difficulties Ali faced against Frazier, but most of them weren't allowed to frequently break the rules.

Originally Posted by mcvey
Hitting below the belt is illegal too, take a look at Frazier's punches in FOTC,Ali had contusions on his thighs after that fight.
Ever hear a sqawk from him about that?
I'd be interested to see a comparison between the number of low-blows by Frazier in the FOTC and the number of holds behind the head by Ali in their second fight. However, even if they are comparable or even if Frazier low-blowed more often, it doesn't exonerate Ali.

The FOTC is notable, by the way, for being a fight where a ref didn't allow Ali to frequently hold behind the head, presumably because of the unique focus on the fight and the fact that Mercante was forced to say "There will no holding behind the head" to the whole crowd beforehand. Ali held in the FOTC, but not illegally or excessively, since it's harder to hold if you can't just grab someone's neck and pull down on it.

IIRC, Ali didn't hold excessively or illegally in the Thrilla either.
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