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Old 11-13-2012, 05:05 PM   #33
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Default Re: Sonny Liston 'I Will Manage Floyd Patterson as Light-Heavyweight'

Originally Posted by Lord Tywin View Post
Lets leave it at this: You think Liston was some sort of renaissance man possessed of both brains and brawn, who would have been another Don King, or Tex Rickard.
No, I don't think that. Never even suggested it.

I, like most people at the time, think Liston was a thug with below average intelligence whose only outlet in life was every going to be beating people up.
Ok. The general public thought a scary-looking black ex-convict who hadn't been to school and didn't talk much and boxed for a living ... was a stupid brute, an animal, an inferior human being with low intelligence.

People who actually knew him thought otherwise.


I will just close by saying its awfully naive to think that any bumpkin with a third grade education can waltz in off the street and do what these guys can do.
"these guys" ? There have been hundreds of boxing managers who have had success with one or two fighters. Dozens of them were simply ex-fighters, not one-in-a-million business brains. They coached the fighter and scouted, accepted or rejected opponents and haggled over purses, that's it, with some success. The talent of the fighter in question counted a lot toward the success.

It's naive to think that every successful managerial maneuver has to be carried out by some exceptional business genius or slick educated man.
Guys like Tommy Gallagher manage fighters. seriously.
Yank Durham was a philly gym guy, a war veteran, a former railroad worker, but was in charge of picking Frazier's opponents and steered him to the championship in very quick time.

Maybe Liston would have been a disaster as a manager. Maybe he could have done a decent job with one particular fighter.


I would ask if you think it was poor managerial acumen that led Patterson to Liston? I would disagree. In reality at least part of the reason Patterson was acting on his own behalf was expressly because he wanted to fight Liston. He was a man of integrity and did the right thing when most wanted him to duck Liston even while admitting Liston was his outstanding challenger. In the process he also made more money than he would have against anyone else. What would you have him do differently? Abdicate and instead of getting over one million to fight Liston drop down and fight a light heavyweight championship for one tenth that? If thats the case no wonder you admire Liston's "intellect." Patterson made the right decision both morally and in a business sense.
You ignore the context of Liston's comment/offer.
After being battered twice inside 1 round by Sonny Liston, Patterson's career looked over, his reputation lay in tatters, the future looked bleak.
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