Originally Posted by pecho26
You are not open mided at all.Sounds to me like youre on a witch hunt.
You open up a thread how s&c are ok but then goes and blast them and mock everything you dont understand like mumbo jumbo,chavez didnt have this and that,s&c coach must be a boxer bla bla bla.Got a lot of hate for s&c coaches.I really cant grasp why.
Btw Nonito Donaire didnt run 1 km in his preparation for his last bout.What was the result?He is working with conte form 2010 same as Berto and guees who sought his advice as well?ANDRE WARD(prior to his fight witk Kesller he had 11 trainings with conte).
The same ward that has hunter as his trainer,dont get me wrong i like hunter as a trainer and i think that he is a phenomenal boxing coach,but when he talks about "imbalances" of the body of Amir khan i laugh like hell cause im sure he doesnt know what the hell he is talking about.
this article made me cringe:
Cotto has been working with Phil Landman from 2007 and now has a boxing trainer who is phenomenal and who understand both worlds,which is very rare,Pac has working with Ariza from i dunno when.Just a few examples as well.
Pecho, Thanks for including that link, it makes a lot of good points against S&C guys. Thanks for this also "he is a phenomenal boxing coach,but when he talks about "imbalances" of the body of Amir khan i laugh like hell cause im sure he doesnt know what the hell he is talking about." Hunter I would think has more insight into things when it concerns his fighters than an S&C guy. You laugh like hell at Hunter's 'er lack of knowledge, this is exactly why I dislike S&C guys, they are arrogant to the extreme. Everybody is ignorant but them. In that article it mentioned a guy I have had dealings with personally, Alex Ariza. The guy is totally out of control, working the corner as a cutman, and working more as a cornerman. When he has absolutely no experience in boxing. This has been my experience with different S&C guys after awhile they think they are also boxing trainers then they second guess everything. Ariza, wanted to train my guy, which at first I thought that was a good thing, to have Ariza working my guy, wow! Then Ariza started working my guys corner while sparring and giving instructions, wtf. Ariza is a S&C guy he has no business trying to train or give a fighter instructions between rds. Ariza just took over, well I ended that. Another time a S&C guy was brought in and he dumped on everything, right from the get-go. My last post included something about Salvador Sanchez, he had old school trainers, who did things the old fashioned way, a lot of hard work. Elite Mexican trainers always had a private doctor on hand to ck heartrate from the early sixties maybe even before that. These doctors weren't out front, like today's S&C guys. You never saw guys, doing bodybuilder poses at weigh in's now fergitboutit. It has become the standard. Hunter's saying that while fighters look good externally what about internally? If S&C guys would not try to take over then they are welcome. Otherwise they are not needed and if they are than it has to be just conditioning. If The S&C guys accept their roles as support staff then I agree they can be very helpful. If those old Mexican dinosaurs can work with a doctor they can work S&C guys. S&C guys should ck their ego's at the door to the gym and stay out of corners.