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Old 11-15-2012, 12:18 PM   #64
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Default Re: Old school training routines seem to be the simplest and most effective!

Originally Posted by dempsey1234 View Post
Pecho, Thanks for including that link, it makes a lot of good points against S&C guys. Thanks for this also "he is a phenomenal boxing coach,but when he talks about "imbalances" of the body of Amir khan i laugh like hell cause im sure he doesnt know what the hell he is talking about." Hunter I would think has more insight into things when it concerns his fighters than an S&C guy. You laugh like hell at Hunter's 'er lack of knowledge, this is exactly why I dislike S&C guys, they are arrogant to the extreme. Everybody is ignorant but them. In that article it mentioned a guy I have had dealings with personally, Alex Ariza. The guy is totally out of control, working the corner as a cutman, and working more as a cornerman. When he has absolutely no experience in boxing. This has been my experience with different S&C guys after awhile they think they are also boxing trainers then they second guess everything. Ariza, wanted to train my guy, which at first I thought that was a good thing, to have Ariza working my guy, wow! Then Ariza started working my guys corner while sparring and giving instructions, wtf. Ariza is a S&C guy he has no business trying to train or give a fighter instructions between rds. Ariza just took over, well I ended that. Another time a S&C guy was brought in and he dumped on everything, right from the get-go. My last post included something about Salvador Sanchez, he had old school trainers, who did things the old fashioned way, a lot of hard work. Elite Mexican trainers always had a private doctor on hand to ck heartrate from the early sixties maybe even before that. These doctors weren't out front, like today's S&C guys. You never saw guys, doing bodybuilder poses at weigh in's now fergitboutit. It has become the standard. Hunter's saying that while fighters look good externally what about internally? If S&C guys would not try to take over then they are welcome. Otherwise they are not needed and if they are than it has to be just conditioning. If The S&C guys accept their roles as support staff then I agree they can be very helpful. If those old Mexican dinosaurs can work with a doctor they can work S&C guys. S&C guys should ck their ego's at the door to the gym and stay out of corners.
I love the way you've met a few bad eggs so of course they're all bad. How ignorant of you.

I know one or two strength and conditioning coaches, personal trainers, fitness instructors, many professions from many industries. Some are extremely good in the areas they specialize in, others are complete shite. If I took your attitude I'd have label them all as crap because of the few bad ones I know of. How the **** does that make any sense? Please explain to me why they're all bad because of that few, that's exactly what your argument boils down to.

Edit: After reading this fully (I only read half of it first time and got bored of the same argument typed out again) I noticed the red part. That's what everyone is saying. If that's the case this entire thread and debate is entirely pointless.

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