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Old 11-15-2012, 06:15 PM   #36
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Default Re: how effective would the lighter heavyweights be today?

Originally Posted by Seamus View Post
I don't want to be impolite but do you have any experience with strength and stamina training?

I'm no PhD in the subject but have been a pretty serious gym rat for 25 years or so. I know that probably qualifies me for nothing. However, in my experience both in training and competition, I would suggest that Marciano knew his best weight and it was in the low to mid 180's. Twenty pounds, let alone forty pounds, would have ruined him as a fighter. It would be like taking a 140 pound 5000 meter runner and having him add 25 pounds. He would go from world class to weekend warrior.

Marciano was small boned and small framed with extremely stubby limbs, narrow shoulders, not a particularly deep chest and a long, long torso. There is no frame there to build on. Furthermore, his style was based largely on stamina, relentless, hard punching. If he had slowed his work rate down he would have been easy pickings for even the smaller guys in his era.

There is no more wrong-headed suggestion on this board than that Marciano would be any bigger with "today's training and nutrition regimen". Simply not true. He was shredded and in immaculate shape... and he never starved a day in his life, feasting on rich, nutritious Italian-American fare from the mid-century.

Yes I do have experience.

Strength training INCREASES endurance.

You under estimate how easy it is to spread 40lbs of mucle over a whole body.

The width of shoulders and length of limbs dosnt limit muscular growth in any significant way at these low levels.

I think he was at a near optimal weight as well and 40lbs is too much too steep.

He would have definitely become a harder faster puncher with the RIGHT strength training. (Again too many people gain size the WRONG way)

I agree his endurance would have suffered. He would have to become a different type of fighter. A scaled down tommy morrison comes to mind with a good chin. It is possible to have reasonable cardio and a large muscle mass, fighters like Tyson can do it.

Last edited by OMGWTF; 11-15-2012 at 06:26 PM.
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