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Old 11-19-2012, 09:31 AM   #91
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Default Re: Sonny Liston - Had To Lose In Lewiston, Maine

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The lead foot lift from that punch is well documented.
4d 6th time , amazing .
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You have that SI article and formal frame by frame ****ysis of the fight. If you want to throw all that out, dont know why you would unless you have other motives then just Chuvalos observation that Listons eyes were shifting side to side when he was down shows that he was potentially very hurt.
and again , u may be some1 else than Ali_ , so r u Liellah's lawyer ?

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If your that much an Ali hater and want to throw all of this out then you have the formal NY state investigation of the second fight AND the formal investigation of the first fight my Florida State. BOTH concluded there was no evidence of a fix.
and again , your posts in this 1 thread r so different from 1 another .

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Now if you then want to ignore all of this evidence then I would suggest the issue is with YOU. Finally just look at the historic scope of the fights. Ali as we all know went on to be, to this very day, rated by most as the best hwt champion ever. Everyone lists him at the very least in the top 2. Here he is fighting an old Liston after soundly beating him in Miami.....why fix the fight?
bikoz due 2 fixes like this and cheats like with 4man , Cooper , Frazier #2 and Terrell and gifts like with Doug Jones , Alonzo Johnson and George Chuvalo and fighting handicapped opponents (Patterson #1 , Cleveland Williams) or severely aged 1s like Liston , Williams , Folley and Patterson #2 (even Lyle can qualify as severely aged , older than Ali himself whom is considered past his prime by most by de time when he fought Lyle) .

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Why would Liston train sooo very hard to get in shape for the fight if the fix was in?
Supposing that u do not lie again , which is not a smart supposition 2do , looking like in shape may jast b his excuse 4 not taking a dive .

I know that u and yor laix will ignore/reject it .

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The truth is looking back on both fights it was the classic example of a young future ATG fighting the old champion and beating him soundly. Ali was the one on the way up and Liston was certainly on his way down. By what magical method was Lston going to catch Ali and knock him out in either fight? If was quite obvious from the opening bell of both fights that Ali was just too quick for Liston. He was falling all over himself trying to land a clean shot.
So u reckon that Liston was aged and not in de "best shape of his life" like some1 here st8ed b4 ?
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