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Old 11-24-2012, 07:42 AM   #162
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Default Re: Is it feasible to rank Wills over Dempsey in an ATG list?

Originally Posted by Unforgiven View Post
This is *******s, imo.

Just as you stress that "alphabet" titles are today usually meaningful in so far as they are usually the titles that all the fighters are competing for, then Dempsey's title was the only meaningful title in his day.
No one designated it "the white championship". In fact, it was the same championship that Jack Johnson had held (and lost - to the man Dempsey was to beat).

The "colored championship" was actually quite a demeaning title, and shouldn't been much to a truly ambitious black fighter such as Wills or his management. They knew Dempsey was the champion. In fact, isn't that what the issue is ?
Dempsey was champion. Wills the most deserving challenger. That's where the controversy lies, isn't it ?

It was only meaningful due to racism. Had black heavyweights not been so feared there's no need for the black championship.

We can call the titles whatever we want, that's not the issue.

The issue is that for 7 years the 1&2 reigned unbeaten with one chasing the fight and the other hiding behind management.

The issue is that he who hid is rated higher than he who chased.

The issue is that in some eyes jack has been granted a default victory because some trainers picked him back then.
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