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Old 11-28-2012, 04:45 AM   #69
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Default Re: Who would you rate higher : Tim Witherspoon or Jim Jeffries ?

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Originally Posted by mcvey View Post

"In fact, Childs had better results over the same opponents"

No, he didn't.

They had 6 common opponents

Joe Choynski--ko'd Childs in 3 and beat him in 6. Jeff fought a 20 round draw when very inexperienced.

Bob Armstrong--Childs W6, ko 2, ko 6, Jeff w 10

Henry Baker--Childs ko 3, Jeff ko 9

Mexican Pete Everett--Childs w 6, Jeff ko 3

Joe Kennedy--Childs draw 6, Jeff ko 2 .







Hank Griffin--Childs draw 20, Jeff ko 14

Jeff went 5-0-1 with 4 ko's. Childs 5-2-2 with 3 ko's

Childs had Armstrong's number for some reason (Armstrong did much better against Martin), but overall was not as successful. Jeff beat five of these men and lost to none. Childs lost twice to Choynski, and didn't beat Kennedy or Griffin.

**Childs was 5' 9" and seems to have been about 165 at his best. This huge size differential might have made it hard to sell him as an opponent for Jeff. His best wins appear to have been the ones over Armstrong.
I didn't say Childs had better results against all their common opponents ,and I gave the examples in which he did.


Jeffries was happy to beat Armstrong by dec over 10 rds, but he did not face Childs who had kod Armstrong in 2 rds 7 months earlier, beaten him previously to that ,and would stop him again ayear later


When Jeffries defended against Corbett in 1900, Corbett had not fought in 2 years nor won a fight for 6 and that over middleweight Charley Mitchell.


In 1900 Childs was the Coloured Champion with wins over
Armstrong x2 [later 3]
Butler
Russell x3
Everett x2
Klondike x2
Draws with Kennedy ,Byers ,and Griffin.
Childs was 5' 9.5", and a year before Corbett challenged Jeffries ,weighed 173lbs for a fight with 230lbs Ed Dunkhorst.


Childs had Armstrong's number for some reason?
He beat him 3 out of 3, twice by ko, maybe he was just better?

Corbett never scaled 190lbs in the ring he weighed 178lbs when he beat Sullivan for the title and his best weight was in the low 180's.

Huge size differential making it hard to sell the fight?

Jeffries had 63lbs on Choynski, 32lbs on Sharkey , 60lbs on Finnegan,47lbs on Fitz.


Childs was as big as Sharkey and 1.5" taller, he was heavier than Fitz, Choynski, and Van Buskirk,and around the same weight as Finnegan whom Jeffries was happy to defend against.

This won't go.
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