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Old 12-03-2012, 09:51 AM   #91
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Default Re: Classic James Toney stuff from 1993 haha

Originally Posted by general zod View Post
Phyiscal attributes:
Power: Eubank
Handspeed: Toney
Reflexes: Toney

Technical attributes

Jab: Toney
Defense: Toney
Offense: Toney
Footwork: Toney
Eubank's footwork could be downright sloppy at times, which is why he got dropped by guys like Collins and Calzaghe

Skillset: Toney
Toney is basically a improved version of Eubank. A counter puncher, with better handspeed and defense
Style advantage: Toney
Toney has beaten guys better than Eubank like McCallum. Johnson and Nunn. Eubank never beat anyone half as good as Toney. He struggled greatly with guys like Close, Malinga and Thornton.

Blueprint fight:
Toney vs Reggie Johnson

How the fight plays out:

Eubank's lateral movement won't really be a major factor in this fight because guys like Collinsx2, Thornton and Benn found him in the ring, so Toney would be able to find him also.

Two things will happen during the fight:

Eubank takes the lead:
Euabnk never looked good fighting off the front foot. A lot of the time he looked awkward and off balance. This would work to Toney's favor because he will exploit all of the openings that Eubank's flawed offense provides. Eubank really wont have much luck getting past Toney's defense and will get caught with counter right crosses/uppercuts.

Toney takes the lead:
Toney had much better handspeed and reflexes than Eubank. So its going to be hard for Eubank to find opening for counters. To be effective as a counter puncher you really need to have a speed advantage over your opponent, something which Eubank does not have in this h2h fight.

If Eubank cant even beat a limited fighter like Collins than there is no way he beats someone like Toney
Toney wide ud

Toney would be able to find Eubank, but he wouldn't be able to hurt and vice versa. No a counter puncher doesn't always need a speed advantage - Holyfield was not faster than Tyson, yet he countered him all night. Toney wasn't that much quicker than Eubank - For instance Roy Jones would be too fast for Eubank to counter - Toney isn't.

I find it laughable that you mention Eubank's did struggle with Steve Collins and Joe Calzaghe - but what do they have in common with James Toney? You also fail to mention Toney's fights with Thadzi, Griffin and Tiberi where he got beat. Seems you definitely have it out for Eubank

Anyways, I see similarities between Eubank and Griffin - and while Toney's fights with Griffin could have gone either way, over 24 rounds he struggled with him no doubt. Griffin was no better than Eubank, and I see Toney struggling here as well.

By the way, this fight would be at SMW - not MW where Toney was at his best
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