Originally Posted by irishny
I never got this logic.
When Ward goes up in his first fight at LHW and fights for a title will that mean,that if say..Cloud beats him, that it will be a fight of no consequence because Ward has "done nothing" at LHW?
You cant just ignore the career a guy had 7-8 lbs south of where hes fighting. It happens here all the time and its just stupid.
If you're an undisputed champ at a division and you go up.you're career doesnt just start over!
Marcio Rubio is rated quite highly by many sanctioning bodies and Pavlik hammered him back at 160, does that no longer count?
Fighters can change dramatically from class to class. No one is saying that that Pavlik is unaccomplished overall or at 160; we're saying that he has accomplished nothing at 168. And success at 160 doesn't guarantee success at 168.
Also, to your first point: If Ward goes up to 175 and loses to an over the hill fighter, then looks unimpressive against journeymen, absolutely Cloud beating him would not mean much. That's particularly true when you're talking about a guy in his 30s with an extensive history of addiction problems.
This is a shit fight. You can sell Pavlik vs. Abraham or Bute, but this fight holds little meaning for Ward, who has beaten far healthier and more accomplished (at 168.) opponents than today's Pavlik. It's a joke.