Originally Posted by Lampley
Fighters can change dramatically from class to class. No one is saying that that Pavlik is unaccomplished overall or at 160; we're saying that he has accomplished nothing at 168. And success at 160 doesn't guarantee success at 168.
Also, to your first point: If Ward goes up to 175 and loses to an over the hill fighter, then looks unimpressive against journeymen, absolutely Cloud beating him would not mean much. That's particularly true when you're talking about a guy in his 30s with an extensive history of addiction problems.
This is a shit fight. You can sell Pavlik vs. Abraham or Bute, but this fight holds little meaning for Ward, who has beaten far healthier and more accomplished (at 168.) opponents than today's Pavlik. It's a joke.
And what if Ward goes up and loses in his first fight to Cloud.
Will Clouds victory mean nothing?
There are NO fights at 168 that really mean anhthing for Ward. This is as good as any.
Also, by "in his 30s" you mean just turned 30.
Pavlik is still a young guy.