Originally Posted by McGrain
Nonsense. Ali has Foreman (top 10) Liston (top 10) Frazier (top 10) and a beautiful raft of contenders bouted by in-betweeners like Norton and Patterson. He defeated all of these names in series.
The heavyweight division was always awful. Foreman was somewhere at the level of Dal Hawkins as a fighter. Liston is grossly overrated, he looks good on film, but his achievements are rather poor and he struggled against even mediocre opposition; maybe Jack Blackburn level of fighter. Frazier beat Ali the first time, the only fight that mattered between them. He is also overrated, because he only had one meaningful win - first fight with Ali. Other than that, he beat fighters of Kid McPartland or Dave Holly level. Norton, I'm tired to even speak about him. He was a journeyman of Henry Cooper level, basically. Somewhere between mediocre and good. Patterson - was past prime and a cripple when Ali beat him. If you look at either Gans' or Leonard's eras, they were ten times deeper and richer with talent than Ali's epoch at heavyweight.