Originally Posted by Bogotazo
Have to disagree with your premise. In the 3rd fight, Manny was looking to counter JMM and likely expected him to come out throwing long strings of combinations. Roach said in the lead up to that fight "we're going to counter-punch the counter-puncher, Nacho knows it, and there's nothing he can do about it." When JMM circled laterally, took the angle away from Manny, and Manny didn't oblige him with more than a few short 1-1-2's, Marquez took the initiative and landed with lead rights and lefts while ducking under. When JMM initiates offensively on his terms and stays responsible, there's little Manny can do besides hope to land a right hook and pray the right hand he might be eating simultaneously isn't harder. And Manny isn't going to fool Juan into that, and he's not going to fight like Chris John.
Countering Juan and catching him may be an option, but it's only going to come about if Manny uses feints, lot's of offensive movements, and mixes up his offense better. But JMM leading will probably upset that and make Manny nervous in the second half again. He can lead better than Manny can counter, and he's not going to follow Pac on his own.
Thankyou Tazo! Alot of these Pacquiao fans will not accept that Pacquiao's fight plan in the 3rd fight was to box from distance. To stay at center ring without going out looking for Marquez and have Pacquiao's faster hands and feet manuever around Marqeuz and fluster him.
Roach having seen Marquez not able to react to Mayweather's quickness and speed from from distance thought Pacquiao could do the same to an old lightweight moving up in weight. He thought Marquez would'nt be quick enough to react and his interviews before hand showed the glee he was in anticipating Paquiao was going to be to quick, to fast, to powerful, and to Patient for Marquez.
Pacquiao spent the first few rounds attempting to box and force Marquez to lead. Marquez mantained calm at center ring and probed clean lead shots to both the head and body of Pacquiao.
I had voiced concern in this forum going into that 3rd fight whether Marquez could be quick enough on the trigger at his age and moving up two weight classes to land on a Pacquiao if Pacquiao fought from distance and made Marquez lead.
We got that answer right away in the first couple or rounds.
Pacquiao was being patient, Marquez was probing and landing solid leads, and the result was that Pacquiao was'nt answering back with a quick enough counter.
Pacquiao could not match x's and o's with Marquez and that was very apparent early on.
What do you think Tazo of what I outlined for dangerousity, about Pacquiao's best bet to win legitly would be to get on his bicycle ala Leonard vs Hagler and DLH vs Trinidad. To actually run around Marquez and look to engage very little?
Do you think at 40 years of age Marquez can get his feet to move fast enough to land effective clean punches????
Personally imo, running would be Pacquiao's best option. He's not going to outbox Marquez, and he eats to many clean flush shots and becomes gunshy when he gets overly aggressive vs Marquez.