Originally Posted by edward morbius
"Never heard anyone say Jerry was overrated"
There is always a first time.
"very deep era"
He was beaten by Ellis, who was a puffed up middleweight with a mediocre record at middle.
The real big names of the era--Ali, Frazier, Norton--destroyed him--Liston-He did not fight Liston. Machen--beat him. Chuvalo--ko'd him.
He was never one of the top three active heavies, if that high. Ellis was better and I once watched Ellis lose to Don Fullmer on TV.
He was stopped 6 times in 66 fights (all before reaching 30)--that is simply not the record of a super tough fighter.
This is what happens when you have a lot of fights in a very tough era, there are losses when you fight the best and often. 23 fights against 170 lb. men that on some occasions you barely s****e home doesn't leave much for discourse.