Originally Posted by edward morbius
"Never heard anyone say Jerry was overrated"
There is always a first time.
"very deep era"
He was beaten by Ellis, who was a puffed up middleweight with a mediocre record at middle.
The real big names of the era--Ali, Frazier, Norton--destroyed him--Liston-He did not fight Liston. Machen--beat him. Chuvalo--ko'd him.
He was never one of the top three active heavies, if that high. Ellis was better and I once watched Ellis lose to Don Fullmer on TV.
He was stopped 6 times in 66 fights (all before reaching 30)--that is simply not the record of a super tough fighter.
This is what happens when you have a lot of fights in a very tough era, there are losses when you fight the best and often. 23 fights against 170 lb. men that on some occasions you barely scrape home doesn't leave much for discourse.