Originally Posted by redrooster
what are you talking about "in retrospect it seems clear Ray could beat him"?
That thought never occurred to me ESPECIALLY in light of the way he took 5 yrs off with the exception of returning every time he saw Marv looking slow & hittable. In other words, prime for prime, and h2h, prime Marv would knock Sugar stiff! Ray didnt even belong in the same ring w Marv
well like you said you would be more impressed with a win over Norris or Nunn since they were faster and younger and Ray could not use tactics much to win. With Marvin he was quicker. In retrospect we all think that because Hagler was older and inactive and ready to retire, but at the time we saw him as the same Hagler who stopped Hearns 2 years before.
I am not sure Ray didn't belong in the ring with him, He timed his style and knew how to fight him. As a matter of fact, I think part of Ray taking off time was yes, waiting for Marvin to slip a little but also Ray had to be a solid 160 to hold Hagler when he came in close. In round one I think it was, I remember Ray pushing Hagler and Marvin flew. I that told me Ray was strong at the weight.