Gushiken is a good shout I didn't think of
I pushed Watanabe aside out of sheer bias and not wanting to give him much credit.
Ohba? Well, I guess you've touched on why I didn't consider him. Could get a bit ragged in full flow (as could Saijo admittedly, still take him for general form even if Ohba had the better jab and was the all-round better fighter)