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Old 12-22-2012, 04:10 PM   #37
BoxinScienceUSA
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Default Re: My first steps into training and coaching..

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Originally Posted by dealt_with View Post
Well you've just given me an example of someone who is uneducated. Repeating a jab for 6 months is pointless. Learning is best achieved when practice is random and varied, that's a fact of motor learning. Also I don't see how a pushup and a plyo ball pass are in any way related, one isn't a substitute for the other.
Still waiting for the OP's definition of old school.
whoa! uneducated is kind of a strong assumption. granted my education does mostly come from the early 90's when I started coaching, but "uneducated", wow, lol.

here's what I do know is, even though there's been tremendous advances to the athletic sciences, the foundational things have not changed over the course of mans' existence. The elbow joint still only moves two ways, and gravity is still the primary force against the body. Newton's laws and biomechanical principles (hips low with wide base for stability, use of levers & forces, etc) are still just as applicable as they have been since the beginning of (human) time. we just didn't know it until some "discovered" them.

And my "uneducated" self really disaggrees with this statement, "Learning is best achieved when practice is random and varied, that's a fact of motor learning". Variety is definitely a factor but not the foundation of "motor learning". Again, it's been a while since i've been in school but i'm pretty sure that kids are still learning their math times tables and musical scales the same way and not from "random". having them go random from the beginning would be like re-inventing the wheel every time. in the mid seventies two guys (maybe scientists, I don't remember) came up with the seven stages of athletic development: perceive (what, where, why, how, etc of the skill), patterns, refining, adapting THEN the athlete could come up with how to improvise, invent and compose. This is how I've been teaching boxing on and off for around 15 years, is by using all the info I just mentioned. I'm pretty satisfied with my results.

you may have some really good knowledge, but it's unfortunate you don't share it in a more positive way (you have a gift, and instead of sharing it you tease people with it). sad really.

And, FYI, almost everything can be taught from the jab. pressure, boxing, circles, angles, off the ropes, blocking, parrying, feinting, headmovement, body shots, (and the list could go on) can be taught with ONLY using jabs. all the movement/positioning needed to execute combinations can be worked on with jabs. the only thing the jab is used for, in any of the drills for any of the strategies I just mentioned, is for feedback on range and accuracy.
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GREYNOTESOOLD, brings up a really good point about teaching punches first. from my experience I have found it is key to teach skills stationary then add movement. slightly different from GNSO, i teach feet and hands separately in their first day class, then add them together with a move-stop-throw concept so they are NOT in motion and throwing at the same time. they can focus on their foot rules during movement then their hand rules while punching. like basketball has dribbling, shooting and passing, boxing has hands, head and feet. I think it's important to introduce all three elements (in a very simplified way) as early as possible.
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and back to the original post from SLIPnCOUNTER, it sounds like you're at a good place to learn. I know personally, I learn more when I listen. I suggest you ask questions and listen to the answers. And be open to learning from all angles. I've learned some good stuff from some really good coaches over the years but I've learned far more from bad coaches doing the wrong thing and me making note so I don't do what they did, or make sure I do the opposite.

and my request is that you post and keep us updated on your progress. I know I really enjoy hearing about positive new coaches coming into their own.

have fun with it.
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