Originally Posted by Nightcrawler
true. but he was angling for a shot at the time and was handcuffed (ketchel wasn't going balls out either)
just the fact that he was able to do that and knock out flowers makes me think he was extremely capable at 160.
i'm skewed a little lighter with langford, i feel his best weight was probably 180-185
Yeah I'd he's capable but enough so to favour over a great like Hagler at the mw limit? I don't see it. His body of work in the division is nigh on non existant.
I think he hit his stride as a genuine hw when he was the outstanding challenger to Johnson.
I haven't checked his record for a while so I'm unsure what he weighed between 1911 and 1915. But the weight during that time is when I'd say he was at his best.