I actually joined here before there if I'm not mistaken. I don't know thought to be honest. I think the lay out had something to do with it. I know quite a few guysi was tight with on the AOL forums suggested and referred me there.. I mod the history section there so its home base, but I'd be lying if I didn't say ESB classic section has a wider variety of knowledgeable posters. We got some great guys, but not in the same quantity as here or with the same traffic.