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Old 01-19-2013, 07:58 AM   #36
burt bienstock
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Default Re: Dempsey's vaunted run to the Title

Originally Posted by RockysSplitNose View Post
EXACTLY - how many chhamps had incredible opposition on the way up - you can pull apart anyone's pre-title opposition - example: we al know how great a fighter Muhammad Ali was right?? Well just as an example, check

Hunsaker was 1-1-8 in last 10

Siler had had only 2 fights and had been stopped already

Esperti had lost his last 3 (2 by KO) and over next 3 years he would lose 10 more and be KO'd 6 more times

Slim Jim was 158lbs vet of 3 fights (2 of which he lost) and came into fight with a broken nose!! - he would go on to establish a stellar 8-25 (ko by 16) record

Fleeman lost 5 of previous 7 and had been ko'd 5 months before

Clark had lost 2 of his last 3

Sabedong had lost 10 of his previous 15

Johnson had lost 6 of his last 8

Miteff had lost 5 of last 7

Besmanoff had won only 2 of his previous 13 and had been stopped back to back in previous 5 months - and would win only 1 of his next 4

Warner had won only 2 of his last 8

Logan was 3-3 in last 6

Moore was 50

Even Doug Jones had only won 2 of his last 6 and he gave Clay one of his toughest pre-title tests

And Henry Cooper had already been KO'd by Johannson and Folley at world level.

Then suddenly after just 19 fights Clay gets his title shot - and these were fights for someone with an unbeaten record, already an Olympic Gold Medalist , already famous across America, who was already super confident and who already knew just how good he was.

By comparison Dempsey toiled in obscurity with no amateur pedigree to speak of, no idea really how good he was, just facing whoever more often than not not knowing much about the opponent, no millionaire group behind him, no Olympic medal, sometimes over matched often outweighed to the point of entering into what would be deemed catchweight bouts, often with little preparation - Clay was already a millionaire - oh and of those oppoents i listed maybe 6 were black incase the usual race card is played - Dempsey amongst others faced 4 that we know of - Emmanuel Campbell, Boston Bearcat, George Christian, John Lester Johnson - and Dempsey had to go through 73 fights before he got a shot!! Ali didn't even fight 73 fights in his whole career!!?? And those are the fights we know about - estimates put the true figure probably over the hundred mark!!?? and that was by the time he was 24??

I would add also that Clay was never over matched once prior to winning the title and in my opinion the only decent ish form fighters were Henry Cooper and Sonny banks - interestingly the two men who put him on the deck first - weighed against Dempsey fighting amongst others comparative good level opponents for him at that stage in the likes of Anderson, Bert Kenny, Flynn, Meehan, Gunboat, Morris, Brennan, Miske, Pelkey, Fulton, Levinsky etc outweigh greatly anything Clay faced on the way up - these were all seasoned name fighter with bags of experience and reputations of their own
Rocky, KUDOS for you. With the truth you have shattered the haters
of Jack Dempsey whether they know it or not...They will do anything to tarnish the image of Dempsey who had it so damn tough coming up in those meaner rougher times...Ali and others of Clay's time had a picnic in comparison
with his amateur days, under the guidance of the AAU compared to a Dempsey riding the undercarriage of railroad trains, holding on for dear life
to avoid being thrown off so he can get to his next town to fight for his grub...A hell of a tougher life than todays naysayers have...R, you have done yourself proud defending a good man young, Jack Dempsey.
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