Originally Posted by Bummy Davis
back in Dempsey's days of coal mining brawls and coming up the hard way, the promoter's and managers were not as advanced with the shenanigans that King (Holmes) and Foreman & co of fighting bums and keeping Judges and magazines (Ring) on the payroll...Tex Rickard was advanced for his time but still a piker compared to Don King...If you want to see a fighter who fought non-winning fighters even in his 30+career look to George and if you want to see a fighter who opponents got some kind of rating paid by his Promoter look to Holmes who as a Champ avoided many more than Dempsey is even accused of
Absolutely agree about Foreman.
The difference between Ali and Dempsey is that Ali actually had a credible reign as heavyweight champion and as a contender after he was stripped and before he regained the championship. He did not avoid his two greatest challengers. He did not sit on the title. With Dempsey you get neither a great ascendancy to the throne nor a great reign. In fact, it is all a game of shadows and some myth making about a single day in Toledo. Where I come from we call that "All hat and no cattle."