Originally Posted by Mendoza
Johnson was champion from 1908-1915. During this time line the top three challengers were Langford, Jeanette, McVey. You could argue Smith as well for a short period of time. Toward the tail end from 1914-1915, you could argue Wills, and Willard were in the top three. Johnson most certainly drew the color line vs. Langford, Jeanette, and Mcvey. There were big time money offers in the papers from known promoters, and the matches could have happened in Australia, or Europe. Johnson wanted easier marks vs. white fighters who were either very small, old/washed up, or journeyman level opponents. In other words, he drew the color line…well sort of. He did face Jim “ Battling “ Johnson, who was black, and the result for Johnson according to the NY time, and book ( Unforgivable Blackness ) was a lucky draw. There was no re-match! Joe Jeanette said when Johnson became champion he forgot his old friends, and drew the color line against his own people. Harsh, but true words.
Smith and Willard were white. Oddly enough, Smith floored Johnson in a four round exhibition match ( Source NY times ) to the point where Johnson’s manager halted the match when Johnson was down and dazed. This happened in 1909 while Johnson was champion. Willard of course, KO’d Johnson in 1915 and took the title.
In summary, Johnson avoided the best black challengers while champion. He fought one black fighter, and the match was a draw. Johnson was KO’d by the best white fighter he fought in a real match, and could not finish the exhibition match vs the other top rated white fighter in Smith. All of the above happened from 1908-1915.
Could you image if Ali avoided Foreman, Frazier, and Norton as champion? Or if Marciano avoided Charles, Moore and Walcott? History would have blasted them. But Johnson gets a pass. Such is the agenda…
Where have you been? I've been expecting you.
When did Langford become top challenger for Johnson ? Give a year? Saying from1908, until 1915 is not only vague, it is absurd.
McVey fought Johnson 3 times emphatically losing all of them. In their last encounter ,after being painfully schooled for 19 rds ,Johnson kod him in the 20th, and final round .
Where was the profit in defending against him , and who would pay to see it?
Johnson fought Jeannette many times he scored multiple knockdowns of him and Jeannette was rescued from a ko in at least one fight because it was only a short fight.
Jeannette lost to Black Bill 3 times once by ko.
Johnson took out Bill inside a round.
Jeannette lost to Sandy Ferguson,Johnson toyed with Ferguson.
Jeannette drew with Tony Ross, Johnson played with Ross.
Jeannette lost to Morris Harris twice and drew with him, Johnson kod both Harris and Black Bill inside a round on the same night.
Jeannette against Battling Jim Johnson ? They fought 8 times Jeannette won 3 he was floored in one of the wins., 2 were draws ,1 a no dec and he was beaten in 2 fights. Jack Johnson drew with Battling Jim when he was 35, overweight ,and fighting with a broken arm, he had also been out of the ring for a year and a half.
Unrforgivable Blackness does NOT say Johnson was lucky to get a draw in their fight. The NY Times did NOT have a reporter at the Johnson/ Johnson fight. They filed an A.P report.
I can show---
THAT THE CHAMPION FINISHED STRONGLY AND THE CHALLENGER WAS IN TROUBLE AT THE END OF THE FIGHT.
Please show ,PRIMARY SOURCED PROOF THAT CONCRETE BIG MONEY OFFERS WERE ON THE TABLE FOR JOHNSON TO DEFEND AGAINST THE THREE BLACK CHALLENGERS IN QUESTION.
ACCORDING TO GUNBOAT SMITH HIMSELF ,[1972, TAPED INTERVIEW ,]HE PUT JOHNSON PART WAY THROUGH THE ROPES IN A SPARRING SESSION.
SMITH WAS NOT A LEADING CONTENDER AT THAT TIME ,IN FACT HE WAS NOT EVEN A PROFESSIONAL FIGHTER.THE NY TIMES DID NOT HAVE A REPORTER PRESENT AT THE SPARRING SESSION
, THEY FILED AN A P REPORT.
This has been dealt with absolutely hundreds of times on this forum.
EVERY ONE, EXCEPT YOU ,ACCEPTS THAT IT WAS A MEANINGLESS SPARRING SESSION. AS WAS MARCIANO'S WHEN HE WAS DROPPED BY TOXIE HALL,TYSON BY GREG PAGE, VITALI BY WALKER, AND BUTLER.
WANT ME TO MENTION CORBETT DROPPING AND NEARLY PUTTING OUT JEFFRIES IN THE HAND BALL COURT, IN A SPAR? OK I HAVE
Langford made something of a career fighting Battling Jim Johnson, they met 12 times Langford won 10 but was held to a draw in the other 2. Like Jeannette in his fights with Battling Jim, Langford ,[unlike Jack Johnson ,] was NOT fighting with a broken arm . Langford also lost to Jim Flynn and easy victim for Johnson. Langford was stopped by Young Peter Jackson in their series He also drew with Jackson .Jackson ran like a thief to last the distance against Johnson. Now!
PLEASE GET SOME NEW MATERIAL FOR ME TO DEMOLISH.
YOU SAD, AGENDA DRIVEN BIGOT .