Originally Posted by BadDog
lol, he was a good fighter, but retirement gives him super powers?
Pavlik pretty much folded after his first loss and became a drunk and never came back. That's hardly a heart of a champion. He did beat some top 10 fighters though, but he is not top ATG. Martinez beat him easily too, and Martinez is a small middleweight. Hopkins was old and made Pavlik look like a joke. Before his retirement everybody on this board were calling him a bum, and right after retirement he is a force. Just like somebody hit a button and everybody's opinion changed in a second.
2 best fighter Pavlik fought pretty much outclassed him. Both were old, and 1 of them was in his 40s.
He was overrated and then underrated. He had a good run and became champ the right way.