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Old 03-16-2013, 08:23 PM   #1671
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Default Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

Originally Posted by Boilermaker View Post
I cant agree with you that he didnt take a punch against Brewster.

Wlad couldnt stand up once Brewster hurt him. He did the same in the purity fight and the Sanders fight. His legs turned to jelly(though to be fair his heart tried to keep him going).

You may know better than me, but of all the all time greats, i think that Wlads chin is easily the most worrying. I dont think it is panic or exhaustion that everyone tries to suggest. Wlad is the best conditioned athlete (or at least close to it) of current times. He isnt going to gas like he allegedly does. There is a little bit to the panic thing for the modern Wlad, but i cant see panicking explaining Purity, Sanders or even Brewster. He was confident in all these fights and there his chin was never questioned the way it is today, i wouldnt have thought. I think it is definitely and without a doubt his achilles heel.

All of Wlads fights are filmed, but i cannot see a single fight where he has taken many clean shots at all. Lewis had a questionable chin because of his KO losses, but he ate plenty of huge shots. Same Goes with Jack Johnson and any other fighter. EVen Vitali. But i really can t think of Wlad taking any big shots and continuing on. AS soon as he is nailed cleanly, his legs seem to go to rubber and at least now he tries to clinch. But his rubber legs seem to last for an eternity, as with Brewster and it even seemed to nearly happen i think it was in his last fight with Wach.

Having sparred (presumably lots of rounds), you would think that you and others would have landed some heavy artillery on Wlad at some stage. Is his chin as shaky as it seems from every clean shot he is hit with, or would you say that he shakes off plenty of haymakers in sparring? It is an interesting topic, in some ways (andfor obvious reasons i wouldnt like him to do it) i think he could benefit from some Muhammed Ali style rope a dope training. To improve his chin. With a good chin, he might be the greatest fighter ever, although i suppose we would still have the lack of an inside game to pick on.

Anyway, i guess the long winded question, is what is your perception of Wlads chin and ability to take a punch since i presume you have seen him tested more than anyone else on here has.
Wlad can't train "how to react to punches 101" anymore, he's way too old for it.
After 140 amateur fights and 22 or so professional fights he got his first knockdown in boxing ever, he never learned how to react to punches and what it is to get hit.
And it wasn't until Corrie Sanders that somebody really tested his resistance out. (Purrity was Wlad gassing himself out)

You have to experience these things when you're still young and fluid, this weakness will never go away.

Ali didn't have the same kind of domination Wlad had early in his career so Ali knew how it was to experience tight and hard situations.
You become better with trial and error, not with having punchbags with 2 legs in front of you.

Last edited by obviousalt; 03-16-2013 at 08:35 PM.
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