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Old 04-01-2013, 04:46 AM   #36
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Default Re: Andre Ward is already an ATG

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Originally Posted by JMP View Post
I'm talking more in a historical sense. Ward has one of the best resumes out there right now, no denying that, but that's also indicative of a thin crop of talent right now from strawweight to heavyweight.

Ward will reach historical greatness, though. Just needs to keep doing what he has been for another half-decade or so against the best from 168 to 175. Aside from Sergey Kovalev in a year or two, I don't see too many real obstacles out there right now.
If you feel he has one of the best resumes out there it shows how weak the divsion is.
Consider for Froch to win an eliminator to fight Ward, Froch had to beat old, boiled down past best G Johnson to get a chance, where Froch won by Mdec, yet for Sheika to get a shot at Calzaghe he had to fight prime SMW version of G Johnson. That there tells you how the division has dipped.
Thats right you dont see too many obstacles because the divisions seem to have dipped
Tell me one top undefeated SMW that Ward has beaten?
Tell me one undefeated world champ that Ward has beaten?
Tell me when Ward has been the away fighter in a big fight?

Cleverly would be a good test for Ward

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Originally Posted by Rooboys View Post
He has the best resume in super middleweight history! Doesn't mean he would beat the likes of Roy jones in his prime, but still has some great wins!
How do you think he has the best SMW resume?
Calzaghes is far greater


Still nobody can counter this
Can any Ward fans answer the question below?

Calzaghe beat 3 undefeated fighters who had or went on to claim a SMW title.
Questions to the Ward fans and please dont duck the questions below

1. Someone tell me which top undefeated fighters Ward has beaten?
2. Tell me which top undefeated world champs Ward has fought?


Lets read the answers
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Try and debate against this

Andre Ward............VS.............Joe Calzaghe
Froch.....................................Kessler (Kessler the better win) (Kessler beat Froch)
Kessler...................................Eubank (Eubank the better win)
Dawson..................................Lacy (Lacy a proven SMW and winner of 5 SMW title fights. Dawson no pedigree at all at SMW) (Lacy the better win)
Abraham.................................Mitchell (Mitchell a 2 time SMW champ who had never been clearly beaten, only lost by debateable SD in Germany to Ottke, had KOd long time SMW champ Liles, beaten a future SMW champ twice, compared to AA who had done nothing at SMW) (Mitchell better win)
Bika.......................................Brewer (Bikas best win became Manfredo, Brewer had beaten H Graham and was a SMW champ) (Brewer the better win) (Bika was a Calzaghe left over at that time and had been out of the ring bar less than a round for a while)
Green.....................................Woodhall (Woodhall a SMW champ, who had beaten a reigning SMW champ, a world rated former champ, a future SMW champ and Branco a world rated SMW who became WBA LHW champ, who at SMW beat R Reid and G Johnson who when old and shot KOd Green) (Woodhall a better win)
Miranda...................................Bika (Bika now a top 5 SMW had drawn with 3 time SMW champ Beyer) (Bika a better win)
Buchanan (?????)......................Sheika (Sheika a better win) (Sheika was coming off a win over G Johnson and was a top 10 SMW at the time)
Camou (?????)..........................Veit (Veit a SMW title holder who had a fair resume, better than at least 2 of the current top 5 SMWs) (Veit a better win)Then include the Reid win and then the other top 10 SMWs and its clear Calzaghe is well ahead. I could have put Mkertchyan ahead of Green, Camou, Miranda, Buchanon

Very clear but nobody will have a sensible answer to say otherwise, it will just be a lame Faileys losing it answer when they cant debate against

Somebody tell me how Ward has done more than that.



Nobody can counter the above or answer the questions. In fact they hide from the questions


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Originally Posted by LikeFatherNSon View Post
Would a pre-Hopkins Calzaghe be considered a HOF'er?
I doubt it, because the division wasnt known then, yet Calzaghe at that time had a win over a prime fighter who when past his best is Wards best win, and Calzaghe had other wins that were greater than Froch
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Originally Posted by DrX View Post
his resume is amazing
So you must really rate Calzaghes with undefeated Kessler, Eubank, Mitchell, undefeated Lacy, Brewer, Veit, Woodhall, Reid who were all world rated and had or were SMW champs
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