Originally Posted by Street Lethal
Will somebody teach torchkit the difference between world champion and merely holding an alphabelt? I have to go to bed. I got work tomorrow. It will have to suffice to say that Ali was three-time world heavyweight champion. Holyfield was two-time world champion. Ali won the championship from Liston, Foreman, and Spinks. Holyfield won the championship from Douglas and Bowe.
If Marvis Frazier had (and the universe would have to be different for this to have happened) defeated Larry Holmes, then Frazier would have been the world heavyweight champion. Unless it is an exhibition, whenever the heavyweight champion fights, his championship is on the line, no exceptions.
You're obviously one of those "linear champion" afficianados. There's no other way you can credit Ali with 3 championship reigns while denying Holyfield his 4. Also, since Holmes/Frazier was not sanctioned by the IBF and was only scheduled for 10 rounds, the only "championship" that could have changed hands was the ethereal and spurious "linear" version.