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Old 02-15-2009, 01:47 AM   #28
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Default Re: Lineage of the coloured heavyweight title

Originally Posted by hhascup View Post
Sam Langford claimed the Title after Johnson refused to box him. Sam McVea also claimed the Title for the same reason and he lost to Jeannette who in turn lost to Langford.

1908 Jack Johnson wins world heavyweight title in December.

Feb 20,1909 Sam McVea W20 Joe Jeannette, Paris, FR
Apr 9, 1909 Sam McVea KO2 Cyclone Billy ******, Paris, FR
Apr 17, 1909 Joe Jeannette KO49 Sam McVea, Paris, FR
---Sam Langford claims title after Johnson refuses to face him for the world title.

Tuesday 13th July 1909
Bijou Theater, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Sam Langford W John (Klondike) Haines NWS 6
Langford claims World 'colored' Heavyweight title after Jack Johnson refuses to meet him. Langford reported to have had the better of fight by Pittsburgh Post.

Tuesday 6th September 1910
Armory A.C., Boston, Massachusetts
Sam Langford W Joe Jeannette PTS 15
Langford defends world 'colored' heavyweight title claim
Thanks for that, but

Sam Langford may have "claimed" it, but you cannot "claim" a lineal title. This means that Johnson retained the lineal title (in the same way that George Foreman retained the lineal World title) when he refused to fight no1 contenders or when Spinks maintained the lineal title until he lost to Tyson, or Ali, until he lost to Frazier.

When Johnson lost to Willard, he did not lose a fight for 11 years. That is an amazing record, when you think about it. His next loss was to Fighting Bob Lawson. I guess the question here is does 'fighting' Bob Lawson qualify for the coloured heavyweight championship. And if he does, doe this mean that he holds the lineal title until he meets George Godfrey, or Is bob lawsons record different to what is on boxrec.
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