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Old 08-24-2007, 12:24 PM   #18
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Default Re: Would Ingemar Johansson have have won the title

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Originally Posted by Senya13
Machen came forward totally careless, in that situation any heavyweight with decent punch would have floored him, and it would tell nothing about punching power.
Machen had an all time great chin. Sonny Liston could not put Machen away in fifteen rounds and neither could Joe Frazier. That Johansen was able to catch him in the first round and take him out speaks volumes about his power.

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Johansson's jab was plain awful. In his early fights it was half-chopping move half-push, and he didn't improve it much further.
Nobody is arguing that he had an all time jab.

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The man was a complete disgrace to even fight for a title, even more so to actually win it.
He clearly earned the right to fight for the title in the ring and he would clearly have been a serious threat to any contemporary oponent put in front of him so I don't see what your problem is.

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He's somewhere near Marvin Hart in class.
His resume is clearly much deeper than Marvin Harts and there is not enough film of Hart to say that he was better head to head so I don't see how you can conclude that.
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