Originally Posted by C. M. Clay II
You must remember that the Liston of the Clay fights was old and out of shape, totally different than the Liston Holmes would be facing. Plus Liston later attested to Clay's punching power by saying, "They say this kid can't punch? He can punch like hell!" Clay shots may have looked soft because of the speed in which he threw them, but they were not. They had a deceptively damaging quality to them.
Well, it's true that Liston was somewhat undertrained and aging.
But let's not exaggerate. Only one year earlier he still looked immortal in destroying Patterson for the second time. He was only 3 pounds heavier than then.
And his speed has always been somewhat unimpressive to me. No doubt Ali has the punch to keep you honest, but so does Holmes. Holmes is no Clay but he's fast as hell too.